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| baklava | up_the_irons: thanks, just got the e-mail. are you still around? | [13:08] |
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| ballen | ping | [18:31] |
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Element is now known as Guest53400 Guest53400 is now known as teknicaL | [19:11] | |
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| up_the_irons | teknicaL: welcome to #arpnetworks | [19:32] |
| teknicaL | hello =] | [19:32] |
| ballen | up_the_irons: posted a comment here mentioning Arp Networks: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=836238 | [19:33] |
| up_the_irons | you can't get 64-bit counters from SNMP in v1, need v2. I'm glad I got a lot of sleep last night, b/c otherwise it probably woulda taken me a lot longer to figure out why this one new graph of mine isn't working ;) | [19:33] |
| ballen | a little late, but oh well | [19:33] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: hey, still, i appreciate it :) | [19:33] |
| ballen | no prob
I figure your URL with FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and VPS will make for some good SEO especially on HN | [19:34] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: yeah that's true huh? :) | [19:37] |
| ballen | yea | [19:37] |
| up_the_irons | cd $home | [19:38] |
| teknicaL | Anyone in here care to share their experience running FreeBSD on their VPS? Is it generally fast? One would think that there would be a lot of bottleneck because of the amount of compiling users could be doing on the host. | [19:46] |
| visinin | well
i can only compare it to a slicehost I had i was paying $20 for both of them | [19:46] |
| ballen | I haven't seen any ideas teknicaL
s/ideas/issues | [19:46] |
| visinin | long story short, the freebsd VPS could compile things more quickly with make -j1 than the slice could with make -j4
the performance has been stellar | [19:47] |
| ballen | yep, my experiance is similar to visinin... actually identical
ballen was a prior Slicehost customer | [19:47] |
| teknicaL | I've never used slicehost but I have a few linodes. I have tried running OpenBSD on my linode but it wasn't the greatest exp. | [19:48] |
| ballen | yea I've looked into that... seems like it would be a pain in the ass | [19:48] |
| teknicaL | indeed. =x | [19:49] |
| ballen | is Linode using Xen? | [19:49] |
| teknicaL | Yes | [19:49] |
| ballen | ah
yea Xen + BSD = lame | [19:49] |
| teknicaL | Some older hosts are using UML. | [19:49] |
| ballen | Qemu seems to run BSD quite well
and no worries really about the VPS kernel if you need a custom kernel for what ever reason thats no biggy | [19:50] |
| teknicaL | I was just curious. I'm probably going to get one, or two. If you're allowed multiple. How much ram do you have? Wonder if it is making any different on performance | [19:52] |
| visinin | my experience, like I said above, is that freeBSD on Qemu/KVM performs *better* than Linux on Xen | [19:55] |
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| ballen | I have 768
256 on slicehost FreeBSD performance on anything is better than Linux ;-) | [20:18] |
| teknicaL | agreed | [20:20] |
| ballen | however on XenServer... BSD perf is wicked slow
like retardedly slow for whatever reason | [20:20] |
| teknicaL | Xen fail ;) | [20:22] |
| ballen | Citrix Xen uber fail | [20:22] |
| teknicaL | Do you get access to any kind of panel for reboots or anything? | [20:26] |
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| ballen | uhh good question
I know theres VNC ballen goes and checks | [20:27] |
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| teknicaL | teknicaL waits
lol | [20:30] |
| ballen | hmm doesn't look like it
guessing thats something Garry is working on up_the_irons: VPS reboots from the portal coming soon? | [20:30] |
| teknicaL | Well, at least you know you're paying for the hardware and not someones hard work for a panel like linode.com | [20:31] |
| ballen | yea
hes also working on some nifty live migration stuff so he can essentially reduce VPS downtime to nil at least due to maintenance | [20:31] |
| teknicaL | That would be nice
Isn't that a feature of slicehost? | [20:32] |
| ballen | umm, not sure
don't think so they just never do maintenance | [20:33] |
| teknicaL | lol
A lot of people cbf doing that. =| | [20:33] |
| ballen | seriously never got a scheduled maintenance from them in over two years
they offered to upgrade kernels voluntarily | [20:33] |
| teknicaL | Guess if it isn't broke, don't fix it? | [20:34] |
| ballen | since ArchLinux needed a new kernel
yep I often take the stance of fix it tills its broken s/tills/till up_the_irons: how about some tradsies bandwidth for RAM or another CPU teknicaL: you can get Cacti graphs of your bandwidth also | [20:34] |
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| *** | teknicaL is now known as Element
Element is now known as Guest98752 | [21:12] |
| Guest98752 | I don't remember if this is my nickname or not. ;x | [21:12] |
| ballen | i unno | [21:13] |
| *** | Guest98752 is now known as teknicaL | [21:13] |
| teknicaL | teknical used to be registered but it's not. =[ | [21:13] |
| ballen | so register it | [21:14] |
| teknicaL | I did. I am just saddened that it expired. lol | [21:14] |
| ballen | expires after 60 days
of non-use | [21:15] |
| teknicaL | That would explain why it's gone. I haven't been on freenode in about a year. | [21:15] |
| ballen | well thats freenode's policy, not sure how widely they enforce it | [21:16] |
| up_the_irons | up_the_irons reads the scrollback | [21:24] |
| Rick | yeah stuff expires if you don't keep on it
one of my altnicks expired cos I never had to use it and when that happened an oper nagged me about not having a registered altnick ;v | [21:24] |
| ballen | anyone see a email confirmation plugin for Sinatra? | [21:31] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: VPS reboots are probably not going to come from the portal, but from a management console. I can in fact give you a preview if you send me your SSH pub key | [21:37] |
| ballen | up_the_irons: coolio, teknicaL was asking about it | [21:38] |
| teknicaL | teknicaL hides | [21:39] |
| ballen | ballen yawns
Sinatra should not be called Sinatra.... googling for it is a pain in the ass | [21:44] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: what login name do you prefer for SSH ? | [21:45] |
| ballen | ballen is good | [21:45] |
| up_the_irons | ok
ballen: do you want to try out the serial console feature? (It will require a reboot of your VM) | [21:45] |
| ballen | nope | [21:49] |
| up_the_irons | ok | [21:49] |
| ballen | I'll get it on my next reboot whenever that'll be | [21:49] |
| up_the_irons | sure | [21:49] |
| teknicaL | lol | [21:49] |
| ballen | http://github.com/heycarsten/email-veracity
interesting email validation seems easier just to mail the person | [21:52] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: test "ssh ballen@console.cust.arpnetworks.com" | [22:00] |
| ballen | works | [22:01] |
| up_the_irons | you get a menu? | [22:01] |
| ballen | yep, neato
of course I'd say that if I just got logged into root of the box | [22:01] |
| up_the_irons | so like, nothing works
hahaha but you can tunnel VNC over SSH now | [22:01] |
| ballen | woooh... | [22:02] |
| up_the_irons | just hit 't'
'c' - serial console, will work after a reboot | [22:02] |
| ballen | does boot, and shutdown work? | [22:02] |
| up_the_irons | nope | [22:02] |
| ballen | awwww
why not | [22:03] |
| up_the_irons | "[21:58:13] @up_the_irons | so like, nothing works"
:) | [22:03] |
| ballen | also it'd be cool if: ssh -f ballen@console.cust.arpnetworks.com -L 5555:<VNC Server IP>:<VNC Port> -N
filled in the IP and port so I don't have to go look it up also why doesn't the VNC server work with Apple's VNC client | [22:03] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: yeah, i think I'll get it to fill those in soon
ballen: the trouble with VNC is that different vendors implemented it differently, so not all clients work with all servers | [22:07] |
| ballen | ballen makes sad face
JollysFastVNC works though | [22:08] |
| teknicaL | teknicaL is on a mac too | [22:08] |
| ballen | fyi | [22:08] |
| up_the_irons | ah cool
i should compile a list | [22:08] |
| ballen | Jollys is really the only 3rd party VNC client needed on a mac
it supports everything ssh tunneling works well no more vnc password cleartext snooping | [22:08] |
| up_the_irons | nice
you're tunneling to your VM now? | [22:10] |
| ballen | just closed it
tunnel itself is still up | [22:10] |
| up_the_irons | ah cool, but you're saying it worked, which is nice | [22:10] |
| ballen | yes it works | [22:10] |
| up_the_irons | cool
only other other customer has tried it (also reported success) | [22:10] |
| ballen | cool, yea ssh tunnels are pretty solid
i assume serial console is quite a bit faster than VNC since VNC is such a waste of bandwidth to send a console | [22:11] |
| up_the_irons | yeah, way faster
but then you have to live with vt100 ;) | [22:12] |
| ballen | fine with me | [22:13] |
| up_the_irons | actually, in /etc/ttys, you can probably change that, but i never tried | [22:13] |
| ballen | meh vt100 is fine
as long as I'm using Terminal on OS X its no prob | [22:13] |
| up_the_irons | with FreeBSD, you have to change /boot/loader.conf and /etc/ttys, to get all serial functionality. With VNC, "it just works", but higher bandwidth and some clients don't work. so it is a trade off | [22:14] |
| ballen | ah right
what in loader needs changing so I don't break it | [22:14] |
| up_the_irons | # echo 'console="comconsole"' >> /boot/loader.conf | [22:15] |
| ballen | ah k | [22:15] |
| up_the_irons | but keep in mind, once you do that, the loader won't output to the "monitor" (VNC) any more
while getty will run on both the monitor and serial | [22:15] |
| ballen | huh
so which one do you use | [22:16] |
| up_the_irons | I use VNC for customer VMs b/c most people will probably be more familiar with it.
no changes are necessary in the VM, etc... | [22:18] |
| ballen | yea I know that, comconsole or getty | [22:18] |
| up_the_irons | but once i roll out serial console to everyone, i will make the /etc/ttys change by default, so everyone can get a "getty login" over SSH
that's kinda nice, then no one needs a VNC client for most issues like locking themselves out b/c of networking mistakes | [22:19] |
| teknicaL | I've hardly played around with VNC at all. Don't really see any use for it, tbh. | [22:19] |
| up_the_irons | teknicaL: it's kinda nice to install VMs cuz I just launch VNC and have it boot the installer ISO | [22:20] |
| teknicaL | Ah, well in that case it works out well. In my case, I probably have 0 use for it.
At least I can't really think of any reason I might be needing use for it. me really doesn't want to do what he has to do for the night. lol | [22:22] |
| up_the_irons | teknicaL: if you bork your networking settings, you'll see why VNC is useful over here ;) At least, until the serial console feature is up | [22:24] |
| teknicaL | I don't plan on it. I may or may not. I haven't used bsd in a while. I've had the linode lish console shell and never once used it. I shouldn't say much more cause it will prob lead me to borking something. | [22:27] |
| mike-burns | Borking it is half the fun! | [22:27] |
| up_the_irons | haha, yeah
lol ok dudes i gotta go to starbucks before they close, long night head... ;) bbl | [22:27] |
| ballen | hah
k | [22:28] |
| teknicaL | star schmucks. =x
I haven't had any of their coffee in a while. And if I get back into it, I'm going to have to give up some subscriptions, like this one. I suppose I should get the rest of my stuff done for the night now that I got my order in. I'm gonna idle here, hope no one cares. Cya all later. | [22:28] |
| ballen | k bye | [22:31] |
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| up_the_irons | up_the_irons is slowly becoming caffeinated
teknicaL: by all means idle, i encourage it, really. i like friends ;) | [23:02] |
| ballen | blah email validation is a pain | [23:12] |
| teknicaL | e-mail validation?
up_the_irons: cool. =] | [23:23] |
| up_the_irons | up_the_irons thinks teknicaL is procrastinating again | [23:24] |
| ballen | yea the typical signup for a service, get an email with a code, enter the code | [23:24] |
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| teknicaL | up_the_irons: you're partially correct. I don't like to work. =[ I'm tried, though, so I am going to finish the rest i the morning before work. It's 3am now, gonna head to bed.
ballen: Oh. I thought you were coding some sort of e-mail validation script or something. yeah, those are typically annoying. Especially on services, such as subscription based ones. | [23:30] |
| up_the_irons | teknicaL: g'night | [23:30] |
| ballen | heh I am coding
need to validate users email is the easiest way | [23:31] |
| teknicaL | just charge their card 5.00 a pop, they won't spam you anymore. =b | [23:32] |
| ballen | meh, service will be free | [23:32] |
| teknicaL | Damn, I must be tired. I thought the clock said 3am, when it's only 2:34am =x
G'night all. | [23:34] |
| ballen | night | [23:34] |
| up_the_irons | l8r | [23:35] |
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