almost have a workable prototype working woot
ballen: nice
what are some "voting" type websites, theres Digg, Mixx, Reddit...
up_the_irons: I have a diff for that, but it was not accepted because they wanted a more comprehensive privacyctl of sorts, that in turn never got implemented
toddf: roger
hi up_the_irons
afternoon all
Morning!
hey nuke^
hey, we have a new person
jester1: hey jester1
welcome to #arpnetworks
woot a new person
Hi!
19 people!!
i think that's a record
big leagues
I need a FreeBSD VPS, and thought I'd look at you guys.
sweet
ballen: ya know, given how many people are in #slicehost (~ 180) compared to how many customers they have, I'd say I have *way* more customer engangement / community involvment right here in #arpnetworks ;)
indeed the IRC to customer ratio is much higher at arp
That's how we roll.
we're one big happy family
LOL
The met-in-IRL and degrees of connection are also more favorable.
jester1: if you have any questions, just let us know
up_the_irons: thanks.
mhoran: yeah, totally
mhoran: i've met IRL: heavysixer, cablehead, Qsource
Nothing specific now--if you're stable, that's pretty much what I need :-) I don't care about fancy GUI interfaces and so forth, I'd rather save the money.
jester1: good, cuz I don't like fancy GUIs and don't offer them ;)
up_the_irons: Yeah, that's why I'm here :D
jester1: :)
all sorts of happy faces flying around here
bleh, need to VPN into work, bbl
up_the_irons: Have you done anything with VirtIO?
mhoran: my Linux VMs run virtio network drivers
that's about it
No experience with the block drivers?
mhoran: haven't tried the block ones yet
Nifty.
I'm trying to get an idea of KVM performance vs. Xen.
Paravirt, really.
mhoran: benchmarks will probably show Xen / paravirt beating KVM for Linux (I hear FreeBSD under Xen runs really slow).  but as far as "real world use" is concerned, I haven't "felt" KVM be any slower.
Yeah.
I'm trying to prepare myself to argue moving to KVM. But I can't get project time for that until next year, probably.
ah
I reallllly want live migration.
It would save us so much work.
I moved one of my big sites (pledgie.com) from Xen to KVM and it got a HUGE speed improvement.  albeit, I doubt this was KVM's fault, it was just a much larger, beefier, and speedier box ;)
mhoran: Xen has live migration in case you can't switch to KVM.  probably not as cool, but w/e ;)
Yeah, we were planning to use it, but it's busted up in every kernel out there.
They're stuck on 2.6.18, which we experienced NFS issues with.
live migration is probably the most awesome thing I've seen in about the last 10 years
brb
All the other kernels have some bug or another which makes either live migration not work, or something else.
slicehost doesn't sound good
lets go in there and spam #arpnetworks !!!
haha just kidding
mhoran: ah yeah, i can understand that.  I had nfs issues as well, crashed the whole box
so that sucks, you can do live migrations at all
*can't
you need KVM :)
Yeah. It really sucked. Things seemed fine during our testing, but when the developers started hitting the vcs partition, everything went to shit.
Awful.
Couldn't really find what it was, but something was fixed between 2.6.18 and the 2.6.19 Feisty Xen kernel.
SO that's what we're running. :(
one thing I really didn't like about Xen was how you had to use *their* kernel
that was fine before we had hardware support for VMs; but now with Intel VT and AMD-V, screw that
Yeah. KVM is pretty cool in that regard.
Xen brought us VMs 5 years before the procs support hardware virt
so Xen had it's place
but now... it seems no longer needed IMO
Yeah, aside from the minor performance penalty, which I'm sure will go away as VT, etc, get better.
Plus the paravirt network and block are a step in the right direction.
There are so many standards out there for paravirt now though that it's going to be a pain when one of them catches on.
VMware has theirs, KVM has theirs ... then there's Xen, etc.
yeah
It'd be great if there were some standard.
yeah
even without paravirt, things run real fast
blah
bleh
blurgh
fecking fall weather
Best time of the yaer.
and coffee is seeming to be doing little for this tired issue of mine today
ballen: there's a cure for tiredness ya know; it's called sleep ;)
Never heard of it.
actually i don't think they make it anymore
Haha.
meh plenty of time for sleep when you're dead
Exactly..
evening
:)
bleh upto 77 pages
congrats
so much more
todo
going to be so lame to edit
if you want a proof read when you're done, send it over.  although i don't guarantee i'll finish ;)
heh thanks man
np
might be quite a boring read
nothing to terribly exciting in it
but when has backup been all that exciting
that's why i reserve the right to stop at any page ;)
hah
k
but what i do read, i guarantee you i'll be meticulous; you'll hate me in the end
;)
hah
great
grep TODO *.tex | wc -l
-> 20 bleh
I want to rent my own office
tired of working from home
gets sooo lame after awhile
social interaction go waaaaay down
ballen: being alone in an office is kinda the same though
yea true, but it'd get me out of the house each day
and I'd be working and living in two seperate spots
ballen: yeah, that's quite important
ballen: rents should be pretty cheap now too
cabin fever like a mofo
heh
yea
but its wasted money
really what would be idea is if a company has an open room, don't really need an entire building
although I could sleep there if I had the whole space
ballen: there *are* buildings like that.. you just rent a cube.  and you're right, it hits you monetarily
so you gotta make it worth it
yea
i had an office for 5 years that cost me almost $2K per month.  man, that was some money in the garbage.  but I gotta say, it was a good feeling having a nice office, brining clients in, meeting new people in the building;  people tend to like that
yea definitely
i also was in a partnership where we rented a ghetto office for like $250; was a big contrast ;)
hah
250 sounds about right
ballen: We have Betahouse in Boston.
Pay a few hundred a month for a desk in an office with others doing the same.
It's pretty cool.
thats nifty
not anywhere near Boston
parlance
noun
for the character of Lyndsay-Ann, she uses her most annoying Valley girl parlance:
love the example is OS X's dictionary
in*
Haha.
maybe up_the_irons should buy a cube, then slice it up and sell virtual offices
hah
up_the_irons: get FreeBSD migration goodness yet?
baklava: hahahahah
ballen: nope; i don't think that is gonna get traction until I get two additional boxes up and running.  there's just nothing I can do with my current ones w/o disturbing production VMs (e.g. upgrade the whole enchilada)
ah
right on
bleh I need to figure out a good permissions scheme that is translatable into key/value db world
oh so you know the Ohm lib I talked about
yeah
its made by the Reddit guys and actually runs the site
actually nvm
I'm retarded they just made a reddit clone
oh, haha
http://github.com/monkrb/reddit-clone/
they also my the Monk framework, which is Ohm + Sinatra
make*
ballen: proposed permission scheme: think like a hardware programmer -- have a key for "permissions" and value is a bit-mask of permissions
Ohm + Sinatra? I c
already I guess I should explain the problem a little more
yea plus a number of other libs
so I have a users model
which has a friends set
I have a post's model
that can either be public
friends_view only
I'm trying to get all the posts a user can see
which is the public
and any post created by a friend
public is easy
find posts that is friend_view only
with @user.friends.include?(owner_id)
you have to check each story
err post
which means a call the db for every single friend_view story
or
one big var of all friend_post stories
which you iterate through
I could start from the other end
search for all stories owner_id that is a friend
but as your number of friends increase that sucks
aha
if I keep a index in the User model of all that user's stories
hmm
there was something there I know it
lol
ballen: i think key/value simply means duplicating a lot of data in exchange for speed.  I see scripts to rebuild / verify "indexes" in your future
hmm I refuse to accept that
haha
ok, so Redis has a few nifty commands for sets
SUNION
returns the union between sets
SDIFF returns the diff between sets
also SINTER, returns the intersection
nifty
so if I had an set on each friends posts
better yet a set of friend only posts
for each friend
I'd still have to iterate through each friend
and then merge
and sort
by created_at
and why are you using a key/value store for this then? ;)
its fast
extreamly freaking fast
and it will scale
i c
Neatgear?
Netgear rather
ballen: yeah, i was actually looking at the GSM7352S
but i've just had a lot of Netgear lemons over the years
yea
what the hell is the version of the 2960-48 thats all gig?
ballen: i think all 2960's are gig
aren't they?
nah not at all
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/switches/ps5718/ps6406/product_data_sheet0900aecd80322c0c.html
2960G-48-TC-L
http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=850880
oh i c
good switches
the 2960G <-- the G is the key
ea
yea
you'd think someone would have it cheaper than CDW
only ebay
;)
bad idea with Cisco switches FYI
lots of fakes
and equipment that has sketch IOS images