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| up_the_irons | i saw a patchset a while back that made it possible to run VMs within VMs ;)
imagine you being able to run your own VMs within your primary VM you could buy a big VM and make a few littler ones | [00:00] |
| ballen | I'm afraid it will cause BSD to fall much to the wayside in the future as virt becomes ubiquitous
yea you can run ESX instead of a VM running in ESX or Workstation inside* using for testing | [00:01] |
| up_the_irons | hehe
or virt support will get better in the BSDs | [00:02] |
| ballen | yea and for god knows what reason NetBSD is leading the way with Xen support | [00:03] |
| up_the_irons | yeah, it's funny that I got NetBSD working on Xen years ago | [00:04] |
| ballen | should run a few Windows 7 vms
round out the offering | [00:05] |
| up_the_irons | me? | [00:06] |
| ballen | ya | [00:06] |
| up_the_irons | no way
;) | [00:06] |
| ballen | why not | [00:06] |
| up_the_irons | against my religion | [00:06] |
| ballen | oh come on Windows isn't that bad | [00:06] |
| up_the_irons | although I do have 10 WinXP VMs running at DigiSynd
/kick ballen^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H ;) I got asked for Windows VMs once | [00:06] |
| ballen | lmao, just messin I haven't used a windows box in many years | [00:07] |
| up_the_irons | licensing issues are kinda a pain | [00:07] |
| ballen | yes | [00:07] |
| up_the_irons | If I take on other OS's, the next would probably be OpenSolaris (after NetBSD) | [00:08] |
| ballen | be fun to play with OS X Server though
OpenSolaris is a mess all Solarises are | [00:08] |
| up_the_irons | I manage a couple XServe's | [00:08] |
| ballen | imho | [00:08] |
| up_the_irons | OS X Server is nice in a way, not nice in others | [00:08] |
| ballen | yea | [00:08] |
| up_the_irons | if you have a problem, it is hard to google the solution | [00:08] |
| ballen | typically do it apple's way | [00:09] |
| up_the_irons | i had to call apple support one day
it was pretty good | [00:09] |
| ballen | cool
never had to deal with their server support also getting laptop parts replaces always* replaced* bleh, typing bad need to sleep | [00:09] |
| up_the_irons | hehe | [00:10] |
| ballen | alright I'm off for the night, good luck with migrations | [00:10] |
| up_the_irons | i want to be able to script a FreeBSD fs resize (my experiment for tonight)
ballen: tnx, g'night! | [00:10] |
| ballen | if you figure out the resize, let me know
I'd be interested anywho, night | [00:11] |
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| up_the_irons | will do | [00:14] |
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Qsource: did you still need a linux VM for VPN testing? | [01:41] | |
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| oh man
OH MAN my life is forever changed... I just live migrated a VM! 122 packets transmitted, 122 received, 0% packet loss, time 121059ms Not even a lost packet! ballen|away: so good news / bad news -- turns out live migration works with my current kvm / qemu version, so it is not totally borked. Bad news is the VM i migrated was a Linux VM. So there must be something about the FreeBSD guest that is freaking it out. Nevertheless, something i'm sure an upgrade would fix this is some f'in incredible shit i just witnessed... | [03:54] | |
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| obsidieth | que | [04:29] |
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| obsidieth | is all ipv6 bouncin
or just me | [04:43] |
| up_the_irons | obsidieth: i bounced the router a couple times | [04:44] |
| obsidieth | 10 4 | [04:44] |
| up_the_irons | i'm done now, so no more outages | [04:44] |
| obsidieth | its not an issue, just making sure i didnt have to check it out | [04:44] |
| up_the_irons | roger
4:44AM PST... got a lot accomplished tonight, i think it is time to retire... | [04:44] |
| obsidieth | :D nice
later got someone else after a fbsd vps too, perhaps 'dean' will stop by. i pointed him in your direction | [04:50] |
| up_the_irons | ah sweet, thanks
:) man, tired... cd $bed | [04:52] |
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| baklava | aww | [05:20] |
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| up_the_irons: any chance rDNS delegations are what you enjoy doing most after a long night's sleep? :) | [05:53] | |
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| mhoran | Haha.
Everyone loves doing DNS when they wake up! I think I'll do some DNS right now! | [06:09] |
| obsidieth | partytime | [06:17] |
| baklava | woohoo | [06:20] |
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| bobbyw | up_the_irons are you around? | [08:37] |
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| obsidieth | sleeping, afaik | [08:52] |
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| jeev | g4y | [09:43] |
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| Limb | Hello all, anyone rrom ARP support here?
from* | [10:02] |
| jeev | he should be on | [10:02] |
| Limb | I'm assuming that'd be up_the_irons? | [10:03] |
| jeev | yea | [10:05] |
| bobbyw | someone said dude was still sleeping when I asked | [10:05] |
| jeev | he was up
oh yea he slept at 5 am | [10:07] |
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| up_the_irons | Limb: welcome to #arpnetworks
bobbyw: welcome to #arpnetworks | [12:46] |
| ballen | up_the_irons: congrats on getting migrations working
even if it was just a linux vm | [12:46] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: yeah, at least i know the basic setup is correct | [12:46] |
| ballen | yea | [12:47] |
| jeev | OH MY GOD
http://idle.slashdot.org/story/09/09/18/1548259/Burglar-Logs-Into-Facebook-On-Victims-Computer?art_pos=2 | [12:47] |
| bobbyw | up_the_irons: hey, thanks | [12:47] |
| jeev | hahahahahahahah | [12:47] |
| up_the_irons | jeev: hahahhahaha | [12:47] |
| jeev | yet-another-lobbyist writes to mention that Facebook addiction has finally caused real world consequences, at least for one would-be burglar. It seems that 19-year-old Jonathan Parker couldn't stay away from the popular social networking site, even long enough to rob a house. Parker not only stopped mid-robbery to check his Facebook status on the victim's computer, but left it logged in to his account when he left. | [12:48] |
| up_the_irons | up_the_irons facepalms | [12:48] |
| jeev | i wonder if he could sue saying that he didn't check the "remember me next time" cookie shit
even though i dont use ffacebook | [12:49] |
| up_the_irons | heh | [12:51] |
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| ballen | lattes are so good at 9PM | [18:02] |
| jeev | you're the coffee adict eh | [18:02] |
| up_the_irons | even better at 11PM | [18:02] |
| Nat_UB | Keep you from sleeping... :) | [18:02] |
| ballen | jeev: yes | [18:03] |
| jeev | i drink coffee for the taste | [18:03] |
| ballen | Nat_UB: thats the idea | [18:03] |
| jeev | when i put the creamer
cffee doesn't keep me up | [18:03] |
| Nat_UB | I love coffee...but gotta get my beauty sleep... | [18:03] |
| ballen | makes my brain capable of writting more on this horrid paper | [18:04] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: your thesis? | [18:07] |
| ballen | indeed | [18:07] |
| up_the_irons | how long is it so far? | [18:07] |
| ballen | 60 some odd pages | [18:07] |
| up_the_irons | wow
what are you aiming for? | [18:07] |
| ballen | shrug, not page limit | [18:07] |
| up_the_irons | gotcha | [18:07] |
| ballen | just till I have the content | [18:07] |
| up_the_irons | yeah | [18:08] |
| ballen | I'd say it'll be another 30 pages +
if I'm lucky and concise with all the screen caps I need to add it'll add another 10 pages on top of that oh btw no need for the FreeBSD 8 Beta VM anymore ended up just setting it up at work however when you're getting read to test 8 let me know ready* I must say though Latex is the best thing ever to write big papers in | [18:08] |
| up_the_irons | roger on FreeBSD 8
heck yeah, LaTeX is da bomb i did all my papers in school with it | [18:13] |
| ballen | yea same | [18:14] |
| up_the_irons | esp. physics and math papers | [18:14] |
| mike-burns | The best part of LaTeX is the editor. | [18:15] |
| ballen | I just use TextMate | [18:15] |
| mike-burns | Oh you're missing out. | [18:15] |
| ballen | somehow I doubt this | [18:16] |
| mike-burns | ... you're missing out on vim! | [18:16] |
| ballen | meh | [18:16] |
| mike-burns | But that was kinda my point: writing papers with LaTeX is better than with e.g. AbiWord because you get to use any editor you want. | [18:17] |
| ballen | aaah
thought there was some bundled LaTex Editor | [18:17] |
| up_the_irons | up_the_irons scratches head
yeah i was like.. | [18:18] |
| mike-burns | There's LyX, but I don't see the point. | [18:18] |
| up_the_irons | "what LaTeX editor?"
LyX is actually quite good I used it heavily | [18:18] |
| ballen | love using the word Hereunder | [18:18] |
| mike-burns | Next time I have to write a paper I'll probably try LyX. | [18:18] |
| up_the_irons | i had hot keys for writing complex math formulas DOWN
so I could bust out really nice formulas fast.. i would look at the generated LaTeX, and it was way complicated to do that by hand ;) | [18:18] |
| ballen | yea
its wicked nice | [18:20] |
| up_the_irons | I had a professor at UCLA.. went to his office, he had a HUGE office.. took "Computer Systems Modeling" with him. Noticed him writing a paper in vim, on his Sun workstation, writing LaTeX markup
i thought that was pretty hard core | [18:22] |
| ballen | heh | [18:23] |
| jeev | that's disgusting | [18:23] |
| mhoran | Nah man, that's how it's done. | [18:24] |
| mike-burns | vim has a sweet LaTeX package. Billions of aliases and whatnot. | [18:25] |
| up_the_irons | mike-burns: o'rly? nice
jeev: yeah man, *that's* *how* *it's* *done" ;) | [18:25] |
| mhoran | Speaking of vim awesomeness, I gave my boss enough of a hard time that he's using macvim or whatever the native app is. | [18:26] |
| up_the_irons | nice | [18:26] |
| mhoran | Now to get the Emacs users switched over ... | [18:26] |
| mike-burns | Ha, good luck switching them! | [18:26] |
| mhoran | I was asked to install Emacs on aa production server today, and had to comply. :(
I don't want X on my production box! | [18:26] |
| mike-burns | I really want to try emacs, but I really don't want to install it. | [18:26] |
| up_the_irons | mhoran: there was no emacs-nox11 package? | [18:26] |
| mhoran | They wanted the X package.
So they can click around. Ugh. | [18:27] |
| ballen | emacs is lame | [18:27] |
| up_the_irons | mhoran: and if it's a FreeBSD box, I think it let's you pick the non X11 version if you install from ports
mhoran: oh oh they *WANTED* it that way | [18:27] |
| mhoran | No FreeBSD. :( | [18:27] |
| up_the_irons | fuck them | [18:27] |
| mhoran | Yup. | [18:27] |
| up_the_irons | so many vim users here, this is awesome | [18:27] |
| ballen | ballen hates that one of his developers insists on using it | [18:28] |
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| mike-burns | We have one emacs guy at my job, but at least it's a programmable editor. It's not TextMate or RedMine or whatever. | [18:28] |
| mhoran | The thing that made my boss want to use TextMate was Cyberduck integration -- but I guess this Cocoa port of vim has Cyberduck support as well. | [18:28] |
| ballen | someone needs to write a grammar checker that has more knowledge of the english language then a human | [18:29] |
| mhoran | The Emacs X-forward thing is awful, though. | [18:29] |
| ballen | I'll give you a little cyberduck integration | [18:29] |
| mhoran | ballen: How do you get a human with more knowledge of the English language than a human to write a grammar checker with more knowledge of the English language than a human?
I think it'd be easier to solve the halting problem. | [18:30] |
| ballen | have two humans do it | [18:30] |
| mike-burns | Bam.
Also, I approve of any sentence about grammar that uses poor grammar. | [18:30] |
| mhoran | Huh. That was easy. | [18:30] |
| ballen | hah
seems like someone should start a startup that tackles the grammar check problem and truely solve it or at least improve it we need to source some english profs | [18:31] |
| mike-burns | Knowing grammar isn't the problem; parsing natural languages is. | [18:33] |
| ballen | indeed | [18:33] |
| mike-burns | English profs are pretty mediocre at programming. | [18:33] |
| ballen | indeed
however they are good at english think of the profits to be had if there was a program that could perfectly correct a paper | [18:33] |
| mike-burns | Ah that's too subjective. | [18:34] |
| ballen | the school children would rejoice
english grammar lessons would become outdated overnight | [18:34] |
| mike-burns | Please no. | [18:34] |
| ballen | hah
see thats step one step two after everyone can't talk is to be able to parse voice and playback the correct sentance its gold I tell you | [18:35] |
| mike-burns | In the future all conversation will sound like Jerkcity. | [18:36] |
| mhoran | HUGLAGHALGHALGHAL | [18:36] |
| mike-burns | The future is here. | [18:36] |
| ballen | it may be the downfall of society as we know but when has that stopped someone from making money | [18:36] |
| up_the_irons | LOL | [18:37] |
| ballen | maybe we should just go with the mechnical turk approach, hire a shit load of minimum wage people to correct papers
actually a combination do that for a year or so gather data go from there | [18:44] |
| up_the_irons | LOL | [18:46] |
| ballen | wonder if could source K-12 schools
copies of papers before and after corrections it would seem after some point you'd have enough data to catalog every single error and correction possible in the lang | [18:47] |
| quick, someone recommend a techno artist
anyone, anyone? rap? any music what so ever | [18:55] | |
| Thorgrimr | Didn't realize you were looking for music selections based on the requests :) | [19:04] |
| ballen | ya
just need something new, getting bored of my library | [19:04] |
| mike-burns | The problem isn't knowing grammar, just to state the obvious. | [19:07] |
| ballen | of course
its knowing how people fuck up grammar | [19:07] |
| mike-burns | Yeah, in a sense. It's parsing non-grammatical sentences. | [19:08] |
| ballen | yep | [19:09] |
| mike-burns | There are ambiguities in grammatical sentences; parsing non-grammatical ones is basically impossible. | [19:09] |
| ballen | wonder if anyone has looked at the fesability of playing a shuffle game with the words in a sentence. Looks for sentances that match known grammar rules.
the brute force method | [19:10] |
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| mike-burns | Huh, that's a fun idea. | [19:11] |
| ballen | then go go worth and start substituting similar words
wow retarded sentance then go further and... | [19:11] |
| mike-burns | Doesn't scan. | [19:12] |
| ballen | with more and more comuting power at the desktop
computing* | [19:12] |
| mike-burns | Sure, all we need are a bunch of FreeBSD VPSes.
Oh i have to go to a bar now. | [19:13] |
| ballen | mmk
have fun get drunk, don't drive | [19:14] |
| suggestions for diagraming software? | [19:23] | |
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| up_the_irons | ballen: i always used xfig for freehand, and graphviz otherwise | [20:07] |
| ballen | bleh | [20:07] |
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| up_the_irons | haha | [20:27] |
| ballen | OmniGraffle is what I've used in the past
but its somewhat slow at least on my mac | [20:33] |
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| up_the_irons: questions on live migrations, can you live migrate to a VM that has more RAM or larger HD?
cause that'd be the hotness somehow I doubt the live RAM part is possible | [20:55] | |
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| jeev | i just spent 14 hours trying to get simcopter working
and it finally is but crashes often | [23:23] |
| mhoran | ballen: Memory "ballooning" is a feature of Xen. I'm not sure if the same exists in Xen.
The HD upgrade is certainly possible, however I think there would have to be some downtime due to the fact that the FS has to be modified. However that process is quite simple. | [23:27] |
| ballen | yea maybe hotplug an additional drive | [23:28] |
| mhoran | The memory balloning requires some client support, however.
Yeah. You couldn't resize an existing drive, but you could certainly hotplug. Same with CPUs. | [23:28] |
| ballen | any idea if KVM supports it | [23:28] |
| mhoran | Memory is more complicated, hence why the Xen implementation is complicated.
Not sure. up_the_irons had to restart my VM to add an extra disk. So I'm guessing, not at this point. | [23:28] |
| ballen | I know ESX has all that fun stuff
with a wicked expensive license add-on | [23:29] |
| mhoran | Yeah. Their licensing is ridiculous. | [23:29] |
| ballen | schema for key/value db's is a pain
just thought it'd be cool to be able to scale a VM vertically on the fly | [23:31] |
| mhoran | Yeah.
For sure. We're getting there! KVM has certainly come a long way. | [23:32] |
| ballen | that it has, I'm really quite impressed with it | [23:32] |
| mhoran | I can't wait to dump Xen at work. But by the time I finally get the chance to do that, maybe Xen will become stable again. :/
I'd love live migrations, though. But, not working. Bunch of hacks. | [23:33] |
| ballen | yea, live migrations is so freakin cool
that feature alone makes virtulization so much better than bare metal installs | [23:33] |
| mhoran | Yeah. | [23:34] |
| ballen | if you had it hooked up to BGP you could move a VM into another datacenter, across the world, etc | [23:35] |
| mhoran | That's actually something I'm working on. | [23:35] |
| ballen | nice | [23:35] |
| mhoran | But since live migrations don't work, :(
But hopefully BGP. Our DR setup right now is pretty sweet, though. | [23:35] |
| ballen | cool | [23:36] |
| mhoran | Coming from a company where we ran on bare minimum of everything, this is a big change for me, heh.
We actually have backups! Haha. | [23:36] |
| ballen | thats always a nice change
lmao backups are good | [23:37] |
| mhoran | However, they don't test their software. >:o | [23:37] |
| ballen | hah | [23:37] |
| mhoran | Which means, it breaks in the middle of the night and I get the call. | [23:37] |
| ballen | neither do I | [23:37] |
| mhoran | tsk, tsk | [23:37] |
| ballen | I'm a sysadm not a dev | [23:37] |
| mhoran | It's easy!
Write the tests and the code writes itself. | [23:37] |
| ballen | yaaaa | [23:38] |
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