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| cablehead | up_the_irons: i spoke to joel about it, he said unless there was something in it for slide, it was unlikely they'd peer
up_the_irons: pretty lame :( up_the_irons: he mentioned something about a communal hub everyone can just plug into? | [09:20] |
| mhoran | up_the_irons: Are you in on the ANy2 exchange?
Ah, yes you are. :) So did Coresite rename Wilshire Annex to 900 N. Alameda when they rebranded? | [09:29] |
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| up_the_irons | cablehead: lame :( the communal hub he talked about is probably the Any2Easy exchange, a way to make peering automatic, but is not always ideal b/c you pick up everyone, or no one. Think auto-config vs. manual config. some people (including myself) are not always comfortable w/ peering indescriminatenly like that
cablehead: I'm part of Any2Easy as well, but I prefer direct peer if possible. but if he won't do it, oh well mhoran: yeah, i'm on Any2 :) | [11:26] |
| cablehead | up_the_irons: yeah really lame :( | [11:27] |
| up_the_irons | mhoran: i believe 900 n. alameda is still known as wilshire annex | [11:27] |
| mhoran | up_the_irons: I just can't find any reference to it on their site anymore. But searching for the annex brings up the page. | [11:30] |
| up_the_irons | funny | [11:32] |
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| up_the_irons | mhoran: they probably want everything to be known as "coresite" now, and the different locations are just different locations (they don't have individual names anymore). that's what i would think | [11:48] |
| mhoran | Yeah. | [11:48] |
| up_the_irons | Network Next Hop Metric LocPrf Weight Path
* 208.76.68.0/22 206.223.143.103 0 189 0 13949 i *> 206.223.143.103 0 190 0 13949 i * 208.87.172.0/22 206.223.143.103 0 189 0 13949 i *> 206.223.143.103 0 190 0 13949 i s1.lax# cablehead: ^^ looks like I get Slide's routes through Any2Easy anyway. not ideal, but better 'n nothing :) cablehead: ping slide.com from your VPS, you'll probably be quite impressed with the ping time ;) | [11:53] |
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| Thorgrimr | date | [15:48] |
| up_the_irons | fail | [15:49] |
| Thorgrimr | Damn, no takers | [15:49] |
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| up_the_irons | new blood!
mxmasster: welcome to #arpnetworks | [16:17] |
| mxmasster | hey Gary
reading your twitter | [16:17] |
| up_the_irons | haha
cool | [16:17] |
| mxmasster | figured I'd join and say hi | [16:17] |
| up_the_irons | hi :) | [16:17] |
| mxmasster | hear back from nasa? | [16:18] |
| up_the_irons | no :( | [16:19] |
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| bobbyw | hey guys | [20:15] |
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| bobbyw | anyone active here? | [20:42] |
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| ballen | what up | [21:13] |
| jeev | put the money in the bag | [21:19] |
| ballen | what bag in where now | [21:20] |
| jeev | put your monies in my bag | [21:20] |
| ballen | [FBI]: off | [21:21] |
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| jeev | not really | [21:23] |
| ballen | then don't download it
see if I care | [21:23] |
| jeev | i'll exploit that mp3
and put rap on it | [21:24] |
| ballen | you're going to exploit a rapper ? | [21:24] |
| jeev | no
i'll haxor that mp3 and overwrite it with gunit and mozart remix | [21:24] |
| ballen | ;-)
quite a bit of rap in it actually, just remixed | [21:25] |
| mike-burns | Is Gunit a GNU unit testing tool?
I know that Mozart is an implementation of the Oz programming language. | [21:25] |
| ballen | or a gnu wanker | [21:25] |
| jeev | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/15/killer_robot_killed_by_fighter_jet/ | [21:26] |
| ballen | 14 hellfires, bitchin | [21:27] |
| mike-burns | That's quite close to Dr. Strangelove. | [21:28] |
| ballen | someday... someday | [21:29] |
| mike-burns | It's a step in the right direction. Or wrong, or whatever. | [21:29] |
| ballen | reminds me of some cheesy sci-fi flick
this killer-robot fucked some serious shit up though | [21:30] |
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| bobbyw | is there an arp rep here? | [21:49] |
| jeev | he should be by soon
anything we could help you with ? | [21:49] |
| bobbyw | eh, thinking about switching from linode | [21:49] |
| jeev | i've only heard about em, never tried | [21:49] |
| ballen | I switched from Slicehost and haven't looked back | [21:50] |
| bobbyw | actually slicehost, yeah I've used about every vps service | [21:50] |
| ballen | but then again I'm very pro FreeBSD and was gritting my teeth using Linux | [21:50] |
| bobbyw | yeah, I think deep down I prefer freebsd
philosophically | [21:51] |
| jeev | yea i prefer bsd too but
not on a vps | [21:51] |
| bobbyw | why not? | [21:51] |
| ballen | everyone deep down prefers FreeBSD
they just don't know it | [21:51] |
| bobbyw | lol
yeah | [21:51] |
| jeev | on vps? eh
i dunno, building world just think it'd be too slow | [21:51] |
| ballen | who really needs to build world
these days at least | [21:51] |
| jeev | I DO! | [21:51] |
| ballen | no you don't
why do you need to build WORLD | [21:51] |
| bobbyw | linux is really a hot mess from all angles | [21:52] |
| jeev | cause
I'M DEAD SEXY bobbyw, need any info about arp? | [21:52] |
| ballen | that you are, anywho | [21:52] |
| bobbyw | jeev, what is the uptime guarantee? | [21:53] |
| ballen | thats a good question for up_the_irons | [21:53] |
| bobbyw | ok
I'll come back another time | [21:53] |
| ballen | its a small operation | [21:54] |
| bobbyw | I have about a month
ballen, that's what worries me small ops usually means more downtime | [21:54] |
| ballen | yea... depends on how critical your VPS's are
and how much you want to pay for uptime, vs value of ARP | [21:54] |
| bobbyw | yeah, definitely a trade-off, I am just curious more than anything
not super anal about it | [21:55] |
| ballen | right
I know he's working on a DRBD solution | [21:55] |
| bobbyw | drbd? | [21:55] |
| ballen | which mirrors VMs to another box | [21:55] |
| bobbyw | ah | [21:55] |
| jeev | hmm good question | [21:56] |
| ballen | distributed ... block device | [21:56] |
| jeev | i dunno | [21:56] |
| ballen | so basically if there was a need to take down a box the downtime would be the time of a restart | [21:56] |
| jeev | only downtime ive had this month was the planned upgrade
45 minutes at night | [21:56] |
| bobbyw | yeah that's cool, and I am used to that | [21:57] |
| ballen | yea Garry has a 41 minute hw upgrade this month
had* and I think one requires restart for kernel upgraded required* that might of been last month though the kernel that is | [21:57] |
| bobbyw | thanks for the info guys, I'm out for now, I will come back another time to chat with one of the arp dudes | [21:57] |
| ballen | mmk | [21:58] |
| jeev | try back in an hour
;D | [21:58] |
| ballen | yea he's usually around late | [21:58] |
| bobbyw | ah ok
later | [21:58] |
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| ballen | peace | [21:58] |
| jeev | i just showered
why do my nadz smell | [21:58] |
| ballen | jesus | [21:58] |
| jeev | my friends box got hax0red today
cause he was running comusthumbs.com php hax0r everything has <script> viriI in it | [21:58] |
| ballen | nice
my brain is freaking mush right now so freaking annoying so much writting of the thesis | [21:59] |
| jeev | i need to rest | [22:02] |
| ballen | likewise | [22:02] |
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| up_the_irons | omg, u guys been chattin'
up_the_irons reads scrollback | [22:42] |
| ballen: fyi, the DRBD solution, once finalized, would allow me to take down a box with *zero* VPS downtime; the VMs would be live migrated to another box. I've got all this working except for the "live" part ;) for some reason the emulation doesn't take on the target host. So right now, it requires a VM halt / boot (still a lot less downtime) | [22:50] | |
| ballen | hows the live migration part actually work
as far as memory... network connection hand off etc so forth | [22:52] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: memory image is transferred; while the transfer is happening, dirty pages are marked (pages written to since the start of transfer); after transfer, emulation is halted and dirty pages are transferred (very quickly b/c there are a lot less of 'em), emulation is restarted on target. An ARP broadcast is sent to tell switches / routers of the new location of the IPs bounds to the VM
interfaces that's about the jist of it | [22:55] |
| ballen | curious, do your two test servers that you're trying to live migrate have identical hardware? | [22:55] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: almost | [22:55] |
| ballen | same CPUs? | [22:55] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: yeah | [22:55] |
| ballen | hmm
so is live migration something out in a wild with KVM, or you're own doing | [22:55] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Migration
ballen: all KVM/QEMU | [22:57] |
| ballen | neato | [22:57] |
| up_the_irons | supposedly this support has been around for a while and people have reported a lot of success
so i'm surprised it is not working for me | [22:57] |
| ballen | whats it currentl failing on
btw having live migration will kick the shit out of Slicehost, et. al | [22:59] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: yeah i know, which is why i want it :)
ballen: on the target, after the migration has finished, I get tons of this in syslog: emulation failed (pagetable) rip ffffffff807b6dbe ff ff 08 00 | [23:00] |
| ballen | do you by chance have another box to test as a target | [23:03] |
| obsidieth | can someone
download and dcc me a file | [23:04] |
| up_the_irons | not really, that's the thing... | [23:04] |
| obsidieth | my internet is capped and it keeps stalling | [23:04] |
| jeev | heh | [23:04] |
| ballen | does this file happen to be located at some internal NASA website? | [23:04] |
| obsidieth | its on some russia rapidshare
its a gnome theme that i really want :( | [23:05] |
| up_the_irons | i may just need to update my kvm / qemu packages, but that's something I don't take lightly
given the current kvm / qemu have been running really damn well :) NASA never got back to me | [23:05] |
| jeev | vps's are the future eh | [23:05] |
| up_the_irons | <sniff> | [23:05] |
| obsidieth | http://www.sharemania.ru/0133756 | [23:05] |
| jeev | i dont think future for single customers
i think future for corps and businesses, even present i guess | [23:05] |
| ballen | up_the_irons: yea I was gonna say may want to try upgrading | [23:06] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: yeah, that's really the next logical step | [23:06] |
| ballen | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2778112&group_id=180599&atid=893831
not much of resolution, but similar errors also: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1852938&group_id=180599&atid=893831 here we go: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2804562&group_id=180599&atid=893831 | [23:08] |
| up_the_irons | the 2nd one is quite old
oh | [23:10] |
| ballen | your KVM versions newer than that bug fix?
July 01 | [23:11] |
| up_the_irons | i don't get "load of migration failed" though
i'm on qemu 0.10 and kvm-84 | [23:11] |
| ballen | hmm
I assume both source and target are 64 bit systems? | [23:12] |
| up_the_irons | yep | [23:15] |
| ballen | not trying to install Windows 98 are you?
;-) | [23:16] |
| jeev | up_the_irons, you had a possible client in here a bit ago | [23:17] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: hahahah, no
jeev: yeah, I saw in the scrollbabck he'll be back it seems i should try the migration with: -no-kvm-irqchip or -no-kvm-pit | [23:17] |
| ballen | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508801
what kernel are you using | [23:19] |
| up_the_irons | 2.6.28-15
everything just keeps pointing to "this was fixed in this commit", which is newer than what I have ;) | [23:22] |
| ballen | heh
http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/18599/ | [23:23] |
| up_the_irons | i need to build me another test box | [23:33] |
| ballen | also check commit: 323d3b06db8bf2d8e4c5ed1a390668ae7b1b84bf
heres the diff for that commit http://pastie.org/621423 was mentioned somewhere looks like it touches "Cannot emulate" error message this all looks related to the patch: http://osdir.com/ml/emulators.kvm.scm/2007-09/msg00135.html so moral of the story.... upgrade | [23:34] |
| up_the_irons | yup, upgrade :) | [23:38] |
| ballen | curious are you having the VM directly use the DRBD device or a file on the DRBD for a disk | [23:40] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: DRBD volume is defined that the VM uses directly; the backing store for the DRBD volume is an LVM volume | [23:45] |
| ballen | cool
figured | [23:45] |
| up_the_irons | basically DRBD keeps /dev/vol1/foo in sync on hostA and hostB | [23:45] |
| ballen | yea I know
just seeing how you were doing it http://www.convirture.com/products.html interesting product free | [23:46] |
| up_the_irons | i really shy away from products that force the GUI
GUIs can't be scripted, and I don't wanna monkey click all day ;) | [23:48] |
| ballen | yea just looking at it for VMware center replacement type ideas
VCenter* | [23:49] |
| up_the_irons | i c
I use libvirt (command line), but there are GUI tools built on top of it if you need that like, virt-manager, i believe | [23:49] |
| ballen | yea
in your test bed, Intel or AMD cpus? | [23:52] |
| up_the_irons | Intel | [23:53] |
| ballen | ah damn
http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/43611/ AMD patch | [23:53] |
| up_the_irons | up_the_irons is building a FreeBSD kernel
i c anyone know how long it takes to build a GENERIC kernel, typically? | [23:54] |
| ballen | 10-15?
minutes depending on hardware http://feanor.sssup.it/~fabio/freebsd/lkvm/ anyone actually try KVM running on FreeBSD | [23:57] |
| up_the_irons | not at all | [23:58] |
| ballen | bleh wish more effort would go into virt using BSD | [23:59] |
| up_the_irons | yeah, it's lacking | [23:59] |
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