[00:22] heh [00:22] what's your next marketing plan [00:24] jeev: I posted my usual on WHT today. I need to put something pretty on freebsdvps.com and openbsdvps.net (although the clickthrus are near 100%, so perhaps what is up there is fine). There's another board, uhh... webhostingboard.net, I should post there too [00:25] heh [00:30] jeev: you have any additional ideas? :) [00:32] freebsdvps needs something with your special deal on it tbh [00:32] clickthrus would exceed 100%, somehow [00:40] LOL [00:41] obsidieth: like the yellow box that is on http://arpnetworks.com/vps, should also be on freebsdvps.com? [00:43] yea up_the_irons [00:43] &referral=jeev [00:43] put that too [00:43] lets get it poppin [00:44] jeev: hahahaha [00:46] yeah, something like that [00:53] cool [02:24] i think i got a good magnet page now... [02:24] just need to publish is [02:24] *it [02:27] obsidieth: still simple, but it has some flair now: http://freebsdvps.com/ [02:27] added a meta description tag, so when google re-spiders it, hopefully the new snippet will generate better click-thru rates [05:39] SEO is one thing I'd like to learn some more about. There seems to be an awful lot of misinformation out there [05:57] yeah, it's really useful to know; i just started learning a bit [05:57] wow, 6am, bed time! [05:57] that means it's way past mine [06:16] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [06:21] *** heavysixer has quit IRC () [06:31] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [06:44] *** visinin has joined #arpnetworks [06:53] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [07:21] *** heavysixer_ has joined #arpnetworks [07:25] *** visinin has quit IRC ("out and about") [07:43] *** heavysixer has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [07:43] *** heavysixer_ is now known as heavysixer [08:50] *** heavysixer has quit IRC () [09:02] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [12:04] *** ballen has joined #arpnetworks [12:37] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [12:56] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [14:09] *** vtoms has left [15:00] up_the_irons: There were so many little bugs I was experiencing due to the sleep() bug -- all fixed! [15:00] Even mutt was exhibiting weird behaviour -- gone. [15:00] mhoran, what do you use your vps for [15:00] mhoran: f'in nice :) [15:00] mhoran: glad to hear that's all resolved [15:01] up_the_irons, that southstreet place from westwood is moving to burbank [15:01] i wonder when it'll be ready [15:01] jeev: Personal Web site, a wiki for me and my friends, and a Star Wars roleplaying forum I've been hosting for years. [15:01] mhoran: how'd you fix it [15:01] lol [15:01] star wars roleplaying ? [15:01] ballen: up_the_irons disabled APIC at the KVM layer for my VM. [15:02] ah [15:02] jeev: I don't really know much about it. Back when I was working #support for GamesNET, some guy asked me for hosting and I gave it to him. [15:02] ahh [15:02] jeev: southstreet place? [15:02] http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=south+street+philly+cheesesteak,+burbank&vps=3&jsv=176c&sll=39.946682,-75.161294&sspn=0.01474,0.033023&ie=UTF8&latlng=793836861379566662&ei=eWCxSqDUBJiWiAPyjIyJAg&cd=1&usq=south+street+philly+cheesesteak,&geocode=FVR0CQIdmZ_y-A [15:02] oh crap [15:02] they're already in bur [15:03] pretty delish philly cheesesteak [15:03] i try to avoid food like that.... ;) [15:03] why [15:03] unhealthy [15:04] what the dilly [15:04] so what do you eat [15:04] whole foods all day ? [15:04] Haha. [15:04] I'd do that ... [15:04] i like whole foods [15:04] the glendale one is the best [15:04] But there are many, many restaurants around my office. [15:04] Also, a Trader Joe's. [15:04] i've been to sherman oaks, burbank i think? ,westwood [15:04] the glendale one rules [15:04] Do they have those out West? I'm sure ... [15:04] trader joes is ok but [15:04] i just eat foods low in fat, generally [15:04] it seems like they have less stuff than you always think [15:05] up_the_irons, it's delish [15:05] the longer you eat healthy, the nastier heavy foods taste ;) [15:06] like, I can't stand mayonnaise anymore; used to love it [15:07] damn Apple for taking away the tether hack in 3.1 [15:07] 3.1 seems to break more than fix anything. [15:07] I've heard nothing but troubles withit. [15:07] all they did was back visual hard coded in a sense [15:07] although I'll still go for a 900 calorie and 150% DV of saturated fat Coldstone's banana ice cream, any day [15:07] ;) [15:07] since makes the carrier know you're an iphone [15:07] ice cream never tastes bad [15:07] visual voicemail that is [15:08] I'll stick with my G1. [15:08] up_the_irons: Yum. [15:08] I could go for ice cream ... [15:08] It's been a while. [15:08] I should've passed on that blueberry muffin and gotten ice cream instead. [15:09] pizza and beer tonight for me [15:10] Yum. That's Thursday night here. :) [15:10] haha [15:11] up_the_irons: Man, I was blaming a while bunch of VPS issues on the fact that this thing is in CA and I'm in Boston -- but it's 100% better now. Thanks for figuring that out! [15:13] mhoran: haha, no prob [15:14] if anyone else here on FreeBSD would like APIC disabled at the KVM layer, let e know [15:14] s/e/me/ [15:14] I've missed the scrollback...what does it seem to fix? [15:14] Basically, nanosleep() is busted. [15:14] So anything using sleep() sleeps for too long. [15:14] We saw this by running date; sleep 1; date [15:15] It would sleep for some arbitrary amount of time. [15:15] So something about the APIC code in FreeBSD misbehaving when coupled with KVM. [15:15] (This was causing errors for my cron jobs, as well as weirdness with mutt -- which uses sleep when drawing mailbox load percentages, etc.) [15:16] ahhh.... [15:17] Also, ntpd wasn't working too well. Now it works like a charm. :) [15:17] i cant stand mayo either [15:17] it's disgusting, i used to be ok with it [15:18] mhoran: btw, in my testing, it wasn't an arbitrary amount of time, more like an integer multiple. 1 second would be 3 seconds, 2 seconds would be 6, etc... [15:18] Yeah, same here jeev. [15:18] interesting...not had issue with ntpd...and date, sleep, date seems to work ok [15:18] i'm actually curbing sugar [15:18] up_the_irons: Oh, interesting. [15:18] i cant control my ice cream eating so im not gonna let myself eat any sugar [15:18] i wish i got sick of ice cream [15:18] mhoran: in the research I did, I found others having the same prob, and it has to do with the HZ="..." setting in the kernel [15:18] Why wouldn't I want APIC disabled at the KVM layer? [15:18] up_the_irons: Very interesting. [15:18] i go to the gym, play ball for 3 h ours and pretty much have an ice cream orgy after [15:18] mike-burns: SMP. [15:19] mhoran: if the guest and host are mismatched, then the clock ticks, or something, are off [15:19] mhoran: so 1 second becomes a "longer" 1 second ;) [15:19] up_the_irons: Makes sense. I wonder what about APIC makes that work. [15:19] Right. [15:19] Ah, makes sense. [15:20] mike-burns: i'm not really sure... I haven't found a reason to APIC is an advantage, other than it is the default and it is on ;) [15:20] I need it for SMP though? I'm not sure that's worth it or if anything takes advantae of SMP. [15:20] up_the_irons: I'm pretty sure FreeBSD SMP doesn't work without APIC. [15:21] mhoran: yeah, I dunno [15:21] if some have seen benefit...turn mine off...I test it too [15:21] up_the_irons: Also, wondering why the HZ difference matters when APIC is on, but not off. [15:21] Next scheduled downtime I'll request APIC to be turned off. [15:23] mhoran: this entire thread, seems to shed some light on it, but I don't understand a lot: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2009-09/msg00288.html [15:24] up_the_irons: Ah, interesting. [15:25] mike-burns: OK, I'll do that [15:25] up_the_irons: Awesome. [15:25] 5 packages can be updated. [15:25] 4 updates are security updates. [15:25] Looks like next scheduled downtime will be very soon (note 4 security updates) [15:26] Oh damn, what are you running this on Linux or something? [15:26] hehehehe [15:27] mike-burns: yeah ;) [15:27] Oh, ha. [15:27] Haha. [15:28] show me a production quality stable KVM / QEMU port to FreeBSD and I'll use it instead ;) [15:28] It's underway! [15:28] Yeah fair enough. You do what you have to so that I can run FreeBSD. [15:28] that's what I hear [15:28] haha [15:28] Too bad the Xen guys can't get their act in gear. [15:29] But KVM is proving to be pretty stable. [15:29] Aside from the issues you've told us about. [15:31] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [15:32] mhoran: the Xen guys not being able to get their act together is pretty much why I started to migrate away [15:33] Yeah. [15:33] I've been thoroughly unimpressed. [15:33] In addition to frustrated. [15:33] Probably start looking at KVM once our Xen environment goes to shit. But we're up and running now. [15:33] yeah [15:34] people had to stay with Xen as of, say 6 months ago, because it simply was the more stable of the two. But now, KVM/QEMU has just past the threshold, it is now production ready; I have many VMs to prove it! ;) [15:35] heh [15:35] im running xen on a box [15:35] i dunno, i dont do anything crazy to see what is stable and what isn't [15:35] jeev: Xen is pretty stable, don't get me wrong [15:35] i've had Xen servers running for years [15:35] i dont even do anything with that box [15:35] i waste too much [15:37] Yeah, KVM was just crossing the threshold when I started at Berklee, plus, I wasn't in a position to tell them to go with something else. [15:37] I actually proposed OpenVZ at a point, which I think would be fine for their needs. [15:37] We don't virtualize other operating systems, and just need a separation between applications. [15:38] * up_the_irons shudders [15:41] mhoran: I ran Virtuozzo (the OpenVZ predecessor) back in the day, that's how I started in VPS's [15:41] I had a lot of problems [15:41] lost a lot of business [15:41] sucked [15:41] and I had to PAY for it!! [15:41] paid out the butt; they basically sold me a beta system that they said was production [15:42] Yeah, I'm familiar with Virtuozzo. [15:43] Good to know. [15:43] I have a few friends hacking on an OpenVZ project at the moment, and they seem to be happy. However, they're not running a business off of it. [15:43] So your input is more valuable than theirs. :) [15:43] hahah [17:03] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [18:05] *** vtoms has quit IRC ("Leaving.") [18:07] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [18:07] *** vtoms has joined #arpnetworks [18:12] *** visinin has joined #arpnetworks [18:24] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [18:25] *** visinin has quit IRC ("out") [18:36] *** ballen|away has quit IRC ("Leaving...") [18:49] *** ballen has joined #arpnetworks [18:53] *** heavysixer has quit IRC () [19:28] cablehead: come to think of it, Slide did not get back to me regarding peering. You must slap someone now :) [19:35] *** heavysixer has joined #arpnetworks [19:44] *** heavysixer has quit IRC () [19:45] if you're doing something serious [19:45] would you go get a "higher end brand" ssl cert like thawte [19:45] or godaddy si fine [19:49] IMO, it's all the same crap [19:49] yea [19:49] godaddy uses high end crypto as well [19:50] i use godaddy, fwiw [19:50] yea me too but new business is crazy-sexual thing [19:50] has nothing to do with adult or porn [19:51] godaddy says it does eloan but eloan uses verisign [19:55] http://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/ssl/ssl.asp?ci=9039#tabs [19:55] what douches [19:55] 199 is too much for a godaddy cert [20:03] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [20:21] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [20:37] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [20:39] SSL is complete BS. More when I'm not intoxicated. [20:51] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [20:59] someone needs to beat me into setting up back up thingies on my servers [21:06] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [21:23] *** ballen|away is now known as ballen [21:28] *** vtoms has quit IRC ("Leaving.") [21:39] blah [22:27] if you're creating a certificate, 4096 bit [22:27] shouldn't dev urandom to null be enough entropy ? [22:31] damn [22:31] he.net sucks [22:31] downloading kernel and it's going from 100-250 [22:35] guess not [22:35] untarring kernel did it [22:45] :( [22:54] *** [FBI] starts logging #arpnetworks at Wed Sep 16 22:54:10 2009 [22:54] *** [FBI] has joined #arpnetworks [22:58] *** ballen is now known as ballen|away [23:26] jeev: godaddy isn't 199 unless you get their "super" cert or w/e, which is just marketing. i get the $20-$30 certs, and they are fine [23:29] yea but [23:29] the green bar is hot for idiots [23:30] jeev: you'll get all that with the 20 cert too [23:31] ahh, had no idea [23:31] no [23:31] green bar is https://www.godaddy.com no ie [23:31] on [23:32] jeev: do you get green for: https://www.arpnetworks.com/ [23:32] nope [23:33] no error, no pop up [23:33] just not green [23:33] even firefox goes green, the left side [23:33] * up_the_irons shrugs [23:33] i thought my cert was good ;) [23:34] it is [23:34] just not sexy enough [23:34] well, then go for $199 i guess ;) [23:34] i dunno [23:34] i'll see tomorrow [23:35] Qsource: your peer booted me a few hours ago [23:36] * jeev boots Qsource