#arpnetworks 2009-09-16,Wed

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Who	What	When
jeev	heh what's your next marketing plan	[00:22]
up_the_irons	jeev: I posted my usual on WHT today. I need to put something pretty on freebsdvps.com and openbsdvps.net (although the clickthrus are near 100%, so perhaps what is up there is fine). There's another board, uhh... webhostingboard.net, I should post there too	[00:24]
jeev	heh	[00:25]
up_the_irons	jeev: you have any additional ideas? :)	[00:30]
obsidieth	freebsdvps needs something with your special deal on it tbh clickthrus would exceed 100%, somehow	[00:32]
up_the_irons	LOL obsidieth: like the yellow box that is on http://arpnetworks.com/vps, should also be on freebsdvps.com?	[00:40]
jeev	yea up_the_irons &referral=jeev put that too lets get it poppin	[00:43]
up_the_irons	jeev: hahahaha	[00:44]
obsidieth	yeah, something like that	[00:46]
up_the_irons	cool	[00:53]
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	i think i got a good magnet page now... just need to publish is *it obsidieth: still simple, but it has some flair now: http://freebsdvps.com/ added a meta description tag, so when google re-spiders it, hopefully the new snippet will generate better click-thru rates	[02:24]
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baklava	SEO is one thing I'd like to learn some more about. There seems to be an awful lot of misinformation out there	[05:39]
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up_the_irons	yeah, it's really useful to know; i just started learning a bit wow, 6am, bed time!	[05:57]
baklava	that means it's way past mine	[05:57]
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mhoran	up_the_irons: There were so many little bugs I was experiencing due to the sleep() bug -- all fixed! Even mutt was exhibiting weird behaviour -- gone.	[15:00]
jeev	mhoran, what do you use your vps for	[15:00]
up_the_irons	mhoran: f'in nice :) mhoran: glad to hear that's all resolved	[15:00]
jeev	up_the_irons, that southstreet place from westwood is moving to burbank i wonder when it'll be ready	[15:01]
mhoran	jeev: Personal Web site, a wiki for me and my friends, and a Star Wars roleplaying forum I've been hosting for years.	[15:01]
ballen	mhoran: how'd you fix it	[15:01]
jeev	lol star wars roleplaying ?	[15:01]
mhoran	ballen: up_the_irons disabled APIC at the KVM layer for my VM.	[15:01]
ballen	ah	[15:02]
mhoran	jeev: I don't really know much about it. Back when I was working #support for GamesNET, some guy asked me for hosting and I gave it to him.	[15:02]
jeev	ahh	[15:02]
up_the_irons	jeev: southstreet place?	[15:02]
jeev	http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=south+street+philly+cheesesteak,+burbank&vps=3&jsv=176c&sll=39.946682,-75.161294&sspn=0.01474,0.033023&ie=UTF8&latlng=793836861379566662&ei=eWCxSqDUBJiWiAPyjIyJAg&cd=1&usq=south+street+philly+cheesesteak,&geocode=FVR0CQIdmZ_y-A oh crap they're already in bur pretty delish philly cheesesteak	[15:02]
up_the_irons	i try to avoid food like that.... ;)	[15:03]
jeev	why	[15:03]
up_the_irons	unhealthy	[15:03]
jeev	what the dilly so what do you eat whole foods all day ?	[15:04]
mhoran	Haha. I'd do that ...	[15:04]
jeev	i like whole foods the glendale one is the best	[15:04]
mhoran	But there are many, many restaurants around my office. Also, a Trader Joe's.	[15:04]
jeev	i've been to sherman oaks, burbank i think? ,westwood the glendale one rules	[15:04]
mhoran	Do they have those out West? I'm sure ...	[15:04]
jeev	trader joes is ok but	[15:04]
up_the_irons	i just eat foods low in fat, generally	[15:04]
jeev	it seems like they have less stuff than you always think up_the_irons, it's delish	[15:04]
up_the_irons	the longer you eat healthy, the nastier heavy foods taste ;) like, I can't stand mayonnaise anymore; used to love it	[15:05]
ballen	damn Apple for taking away the tether hack in 3.1	[15:07]
mhoran	3.1 seems to break more than fix anything. I've heard nothing but troubles withit.	[15:07]
ballen	all they did was back visual hard coded in a sense	[15:07]
up_the_irons	although I'll still go for a 900 calorie and 150% DV of saturated fat Coldstone's banana ice cream, any day ;)	[15:07]
ballen	since makes the carrier know you're an iphone	[15:07]
up_the_irons	ice cream never tastes bad	[15:07]
ballen	visual voicemail that is	[15:07]
mhoran	I'll stick with my G1. up_the_irons: Yum. I could go for ice cream ... It's been a while. I should've passed on that blueberry muffin and gotten ice cream instead.	[15:08]
ballen	pizza and beer tonight for me	[15:09]
mhoran	Yum. That's Thursday night here. :)	[15:10]
up_the_irons	haha	[15:10]
mhoran	up_the_irons: Man, I was blaming a while bunch of VPS issues on the fact that this thing is in CA and I'm in Boston -- but it's 100% better now. Thanks for figuring that out!	[15:11]
up_the_irons	mhoran: haha, no prob if anyone else here on FreeBSD would like APIC disabled at the KVM layer, let e know s/e/me/	[15:13]
Nat_UB	I've missed the scrollback...what does it seem to fix?	[15:14]
mhoran	Basically, nanosleep() is busted. So anything using sleep() sleeps for too long. We saw this by running date; sleep 1; date It would sleep for some arbitrary amount of time. So something about the APIC code in FreeBSD misbehaving when coupled with KVM. (This was causing errors for my cron jobs, as well as weirdness with mutt -- which uses sleep when drawing mailbox load percentages, etc.)	[15:14]
Nat_UB	ahhh....	[15:16]
mhoran	Also, ntpd wasn't working too well. Now it works like a charm. :)	[15:17]
jeev	i cant stand mayo either it's disgusting, i used to be ok with it	[15:17]
up_the_irons	mhoran: btw, in my testing, it wasn't an arbitrary amount of time, more like an integer multiple. 1 second would be 3 seconds, 2 seconds would be 6, etc...	[15:18]
mhoran	Yeah, same here jeev.	[15:18]
Nat_UB	interesting...not had issue with ntpd...and date, sleep, date seems to work ok	[15:18]
jeev	i'm actually curbing sugar	[15:18]
mhoran	up_the_irons: Oh, interesting.	[15:18]
jeev	i cant control my ice cream eating so im not gonna let myself eat any sugar i wish i got sick of ice cream	[15:18]
up_the_irons	mhoran: in the research I did, I found others having the same prob, and it has to do with the HZ="..." setting in the kernel	[15:18]
mike-burns	Why wouldn't I want APIC disabled at the KVM layer?	[15:18]
mhoran	up_the_irons: Very interesting.	[15:18]
jeev	i go to the gym, play ball for 3 h ours and pretty much have an ice cream orgy after	[15:18]
mhoran	mike-burns: SMP.	[15:18]
up_the_irons	mhoran: if the guest and host are mismatched, then the clock ticks, or something, are off mhoran: so 1 second becomes a "longer" 1 second ;)	[15:19]
mhoran	up_the_irons: Makes sense. I wonder what about APIC makes that work. Right. Ah, makes sense.	[15:19]
up_the_irons	mike-burns: i'm not really sure... I haven't found a reason to APIC is an advantage, other than it is the default and it is on ;)	[15:20]
mike-burns	I need it for SMP though? I'm not sure that's worth it or if anything takes advantae of SMP.	[15:20]
mhoran	up_the_irons: I'm pretty sure FreeBSD SMP doesn't work without APIC.	[15:20]
up_the_irons	mhoran: yeah, I dunno	[15:21]
Nat_UB	if some have seen benefit...turn mine off...I test it too	[15:21]
mhoran	up_the_irons: Also, wondering why the HZ difference matters when APIC is on, but not off.	[15:21]
mike-burns	Next scheduled downtime I'll request APIC to be turned off.	[15:21]
up_the_irons	mhoran: this entire thread, seems to shed some light on it, but I don't understand a lot: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2009-09/msg00288.html	[15:23]
mhoran	up_the_irons: Ah, interesting.	[15:24]
up_the_irons	mike-burns: OK, I'll do that	[15:25]
mike-burns	up_the_irons: Awesome.	[15:25]
up_the_irons	5 packages can be updated. 4 updates are security updates. Looks like next scheduled downtime will be very soon (note 4 security updates)	[15:25]
mike-burns	Oh damn, what are you running this on Linux or something?	[15:26]
Nat_UB	hehehehe	[15:26]
up_the_irons	mike-burns: yeah ;)	[15:27]
mike-burns	Oh, ha.	[15:27]
mhoran	Haha.	[15:27]
up_the_irons	show me a production quality stable KVM / QEMU port to FreeBSD and I'll use it instead ;)	[15:28]
mhoran	It's underway!	[15:28]
mike-burns	Yeah fair enough. You do what you have to so that I can run FreeBSD.	[15:28]
up_the_irons	that's what I hear haha	[15:28]
mhoran	Too bad the Xen guys can't get their act in gear. But KVM is proving to be pretty stable. Aside from the issues you've told us about.	[15:28]
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up_the_irons	mhoran: the Xen guys not being able to get their act together is pretty much why I started to migrate away	[15:32]
mhoran	Yeah. I've been thoroughly unimpressed. In addition to frustrated. Probably start looking at KVM once our Xen environment goes to shit. But we're up and running now.	[15:33]
up_the_irons	yeah people had to stay with Xen as of, say 6 months ago, because it simply was the more stable of the two. But now, KVM/QEMU has just past the threshold, it is now production ready; I have many VMs to prove it! ;)	[15:33]
jeev	heh im running xen on a box i dunno, i dont do anything crazy to see what is stable and what isn't	[15:35]
up_the_irons	jeev: Xen is pretty stable, don't get me wrong i've had Xen servers running for years	[15:35]
jeev	i dont even do anything with that box i waste too much	[15:35]
mhoran	Yeah, KVM was just crossing the threshold when I started at Berklee, plus, I wasn't in a position to tell them to go with something else. I actually proposed OpenVZ at a point, which I think would be fine for their needs. We don't virtualize other operating systems, and just need a separation between applications.	[15:37]
up_the_irons	up_the_irons shudders mhoran: I ran Virtuozzo (the OpenVZ predecessor) back in the day, that's how I started in VPS's I had a lot of problems lost a lot of business sucked and I had to PAY for it!! paid out the butt; they basically sold me a beta system that they said was production	[15:38]
mhoran	Yeah, I'm familiar with Virtuozzo. Good to know. I have a few friends hacking on an OpenVZ project at the moment, and they seem to be happy. However, they're not running a business off of it. So your input is more valuable than theirs. :)	[15:42]
up_the_irons	hahah	[15:43]
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up_the_irons	cablehead: come to think of it, Slide did not get back to me regarding peering. You must slap someone now :)	[19:28]
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jeev	if you're doing something serious would you go get a "higher end brand" ssl cert like thawte or godaddy si fine	[19:45]
up_the_irons	IMO, it's all the same crap	[19:49]
jeev	yea	[19:49]
up_the_irons	godaddy uses high end crypto as well i use godaddy, fwiw	[19:49]
jeev	yea me too but new business is crazy-sexual thing has nothing to do with adult or porn godaddy says it does eloan but eloan uses verisign http://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/ssl/ssl.asp?ci=9039#tabs what douches 199 is too much for a godaddy cert	[19:50]
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mhoran	SSL is complete BS. More when I'm not intoxicated.	[20:39]
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jeev	someone needs to beat me into setting up back up thingies on my servers	[20:59]
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jeev	if you're creating a certificate, 4096 bit shouldn't dev urandom to null be enough entropy ? damn he.net sucks downloading kernel and it's going from 100-250 guess not untarring kernel did it	[22:27]
obsidieth	:(	[22:45]
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up_the_irons	jeev: godaddy isn't 199 unless you get their "super" cert or w/e, which is just marketing. i get the $20-$30 certs, and they are fine	[23:26]
jeev	yea but the green bar is hot for idiots	[23:29]
up_the_irons	jeev: you'll get all that with the 20 cert too	[23:30]
jeev	ahh, had no idea no green bar is https://www.godaddy.com no ie on	[23:31]
up_the_irons	jeev: do you get green for: https://www.arpnetworks.com/	[23:32]
jeev	nope no error, no pop up just not green even firefox goes green, the left side	[23:32]
up_the_irons	up_the_irons shrugs i thought my cert was good ;)	[23:33]
jeev	it is just not sexy enough	[23:34]
up_the_irons	well, then go for $199 i guess ;)	[23:34]
jeev	i dunno i'll see tomorrow	[23:34]
up_the_irons	Qsource: your peer booted me a few hours ago	[23:35]
jeev	jeev boots Qsource	[23:36]

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