jeev: id say within 24 hours by night time
you'll probably get the login information tomorrow if you ordered today
where you from baklava baklava: Washington, DC jeev: you lebanese? baklava: nope, nor Greek nor Turkish jeev: then what! baklava: mix of a lot of stuff... German, Native American, stuff, stuff2, etc jeev: ahh baklava: I get that question at least once every day though
people on Dalnet don't even bother to ask, they just PM me and start speaking in Turkish jeev: heh
i'm armenian. baklava: oh yea? this Armenian girl made me baklava once. her grandmother's recipe... pretty good jeev: lol ***: visinin has joined #arpnetworks
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samferry: welcome to #arpnetworks
forcefollow: what's up? jeev: heh up_the_irons: anyone here network guys? I need opinions on this switch: "Foundry EdgeIron 48G EIF48G Gigabit Ethernet switch"
was thinking of getting it for running backups through it jeev: runnin backups through a switch ? up_the_irons: jeev: to connect to the backup servers?
why yes :) jeev: that's the worst thing i heard
is it an expensive switch up_the_irons: not really
about $800 used jeev: this is going to be on a private network?
why not get a dell powerconnect or something and call it a day
for 100 bux? up_the_irons: i hate dell switches
cli management non-existent jeev: of course it's existent
it's ieee, like ios up_the_irons: also, it needs to be 4096 vlan capable
last time I configured a dell switch, I needed a windows machine to connect to it. FFS jeev: check out the 5324
na
that's a load
i can connect one for you and let you terminal in
ssh into the box
and minicom
ahh wait, no serial on the linux box there
yea, it's ieee standard, works great. up_the_irons: jeev: oh yeah? let me try :) jeev: hmm, i'd have to get it on slax or something for you to conect
i should be in the office in about 30 minutes
you'll wait ? up_the_irons: jeev: it's not on a public network? jeev: no
it's at the office, i have to ship to the datacenter up_the_irons: jeev: yeah of course, no rush, i'm going out to breakfast now anyway jeev: ok
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visinin has quit IRC ("sleep") Thorgrimr: buffer overflow re: $food up_the_irons: i ate too much baklava: I'm starving! Thorgrimr: Yeah, me too... Chinese buffet baklava: up_the_irons: so I was reading that you'd delegate rDNS? up_the_irons: baklava: sure baklava: cool. so do you have dedicated RAM? up_the_irons: baklava: yeah, all VMs get dedicated RAM baklava: Nice, what's the expected provisioning time after orders are placed? up_the_irons: baklava: within 24 hours. if you order today, i'd set it up tonight
i'd actually set it up now, but i have to go to a friend's house now Nat_UB: irons: drink one for me! up_the_irons: LOL Thorgrimr: Yeah, me too -: up_the_irons falls over Nat_UB: baklava: Get hooked up...u won't be disappointed! baklava: if you drink one for everyone, I'd might want to wait ;D up_the_irons: hahaha
the wife is saying i'm holding up the show, time for me to bail Nat_UB: irons: Already drinking? That's the way to keep it fun up_the_irons: bbl Thorgrimr: Oh, gotta obey! baklava: oh, I'm sure I wouldn't be disappointed, it's just a matter of deciding who not to be disappointed with :) Nat_UB: Whips cracking....head out up_the_irons: cd $out Nat_UB: baklava...who u looking at? baklava: prgmr, rootbsd Nat_UB: Rootbsd is nice...get much more for the money here...and IPv6 baklava: yep, though they are fully virtualized on Xen, which is one of the reasons I was looking at them in the first place
I'm mainly comparing with prgmr Nat_UB: Cool...never looked at them before... baklava: I wanted to ask up_the_irons about discounts for multiple-month contracts Nat_UB: Good luck...not sure on multi-month discounts...he'll be back later on baklava: thanks, I wish I would have caught him an hour ago :P
do you know if he provides DNS hosting Nat_UB: I'm a numbers guy...don't touch the stuff
:)
honestly, I never asked...have my own DNS baklava: yea, I'd want to run my own DNS too, but I may want to separate a domain or two from my IP
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ballen has joined #arpnetworks up_the_irons: baklava: I've given a 10% discount for 12 month signups ballen: hmm anyone use Backblaze for desktop/laptop backup? up_the_irons: baklava: I can host DNS for you, but it's not a control panel deal, you'll have to open a support ticket to make additions / changes. I encourage people to run their own DNS servers if they will be doing that a lot (we can delegate, of course)
ballen: interesting, I just read about them : http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-cheap-cloud-storage/ ballen: yea I saw that up_the_irons: crazy how many drives they put in a box ballen: slow storage up_the_irons: hehe ballen: but lots of storage on the cheap up_the_irons: yeah ballen: about as cheap as you can get up_the_irons: how fast do you need backups anyway? ;) ballen: yea
I imagine they keep your data in mutliple places
as least I jope
hope up_the_irons: i think that's what they said
even if the other "place" is the next rack over ballen: well with that hardware design is needs it up_the_irons: yeah ballen: ugh, wish I was on campus the initial upload for backup takes freaking forver
need an uncapped OC-3
68gigs sitting on my laptop that needs backing up
currently it sits on Amazon S3 as well
ever see http://www.tarsnap.com/ up_the_irons: baklava: not sure what you mean by "fully virtualized", but KVM/QEMU is a full virtualization solution. In the end, it is performance you care about anyway, and I don't think you'd be disappointed by the performance of my VMs. If you are, there's a 30 day guarantee; cancel and get your money back :) ballen: run by the current FreeBSD Security Officer up_the_irons: hehe
man i need some starbucks ballen: that does sounds good up_the_irons: thankfully, they are open until midnight in my area ballen: 300 picodollars USD per byte of bandwidth used ($0.30 / GB), and
300 picodollars USD per byte-month of storage ($0.30 / GB / month).
more expensive than S3
bleh
5 bucks a month unlimited from back blaze is better up_the_irons: well duh
;) ballen: hah up_the_irons: S3 is expensive if u crunch the numbers ballen: hmm so the question is where the hell do I get some good upload bandwidth for free up_the_irons: S3 is all about going back to "feeding the meter", as is EC2. there was a great article about it recently, regarding cloud computing, gotta dig it up ballen: yea up_the_irons: wanna know what the cheapest storage is? ballen: I have a copy of JungleDisk and use it with S3
suure? up_the_irons: load up a 1U with 4 2TB disks and colo it for $50 per month somwhere ballen: thats pretty damn expensive up_the_irons: at $50, it doesn't even need to be reliable, it's a backup
8TB for $50 ? ballen: gotta gover hardware costs
cover* up_the_irons: that's pretty good
cheaper than S3 ballen: true
I have 60-70GB
that needs a good backup up_the_irons: betcha backblaze has a hidden cap. all "unlimited" plans do ballen: likely
but maybe not
they're very web 2.0 ish baklava: up_the_irons: hey, let me catch back up on the buffer up_the_irons: even vonage terms of service says they can cut you off if you use too much of their unlimited $24.95 ;) ballen: talked to the CEO when the Mac client beta came out up_the_irons: baklava: sure ballen: seemed fairly staright
straight*
as far as being honest
paying 14 a month at S3 up_the_irons: ballen: anything unlimited would work like an all you can eat buffet. Why do they work? Because everyone has a physical limit to how much you can eat. Big fat f*ckers kill their business model; but for everyone else, it works ;) ballen: ahahahahahah up_the_irons: so anything "unlimited" banks on the fact that there is some hidden limit somewhere, and if there isn't, they have to make one up ballen: yea
as long as I can max out my upload bandwidth, and don't run into a max limit
I'm not worries
wirried up_the_irons: right now, this hidden limit might be the average disk utilization of some dude on their desktop. this would be proportional to what disk sizes are available in the market. right now, it's like 1TB - 2TB in SATA. and that's always going up
so i think something will give in these "unlimited" markets
yeah baklava: what's the bandwidth overage fee, and what are the options for handling it once the cap has been hit? up_the_irons: i just thought of a funny "DoS" against backblaze (or anything unlimited service provider). Couldn't I just buy an account and keep on upload packs of 'dd if=/dev/zero of=foo bs=4M count=100000' files?
i mean, they say unlimited...
bet ya i could fill up one of their red boxes ;) ballen: hahaha
if you have the bandwidth
be a good test
wonder if they compress at all up_the_irons: baklava: $0.50 / GB overage, and if you ever hit your limit, i'd probably just ask you to upgrade your plan, instead of pay overage :)
ballen: man i got me da bandwidth! ballen: hah up_the_irons: ballen: 4 Gbps is my total network, I could haul some ass! ballen: actually they use JFS, so I doubt there is compression
unless they're doing it in code up_the_irons: *actually*, that's a good point...
(not jFS ;)
but bandwidth ballen: hah
they may cap bandwidth
at some point up_the_irons: even if I have 4 Gbps, who says what they have? They could cap at whatever they want, limiting how much you could transfer ballen: yep up_the_irons: to some theoretical limit on what you could realistically store ballen: about 7 months or so ago
I was doing 4MB/s
up to them
on a 10GB/s pipe up_the_irons: so like 32 Mbps... not bad
ah baklava: up_the_irons: yea, I'd rather just get cut off at that point as I shouldn't be hitting a bandwidth cap and if I did it would be due to something malicious up_the_irons: baklava: I could make sure you never get overages, sure
baklava: you'd just get cut off at the max ballen: hah, I was within a block of Blackblaze's office last month
wonder if they've tested out ZFS baklava: Alright, well I think that's all the questions I had. Now I just have to choose! Thanks for all the help. up_the_irons: a guy I work with says ZFS is da bomb
baklava: no prob :) ballen: ZFS is da domb
only thing is replication up_the_irons: how so? ballen: so you have send and receive
thats cool
but something like DRBD
or other live syncing up_the_irons: i c
starbucks time
cd $coffee ballen: kk ***: samferry has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) -: up_the_irons wonders if it was baklava that just ordered