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| baklava | I didn't see it mentioned on the site, but I may have just missed it... what is the provisioning time for a new VPS? | [00:20] |
| jeev | id say within 24 hours by night time
you'll probably get the login information tomorrow if you ordered today where you from baklava | [00:21] |
| baklava | Washington, DC | [00:21] |
| jeev | you lebanese? | [00:21] |
| baklava | nope, nor Greek nor Turkish | [00:21] |
| jeev | then what! | [00:22] |
| baklava | mix of a lot of stuff... German, Native American, stuff, stuff2, etc | [00:23] |
| jeev | ahh | [00:23] |
| baklava | I get that question at least once every day though
people on Dalnet don't even bother to ask, they just PM me and start speaking in Turkish | [00:25] |
| jeev | heh
i'm armenian. | [00:26] |
| baklava | oh yea? this Armenian girl made me baklava once. her grandmother's recipe... pretty good | [00:27] |
| jeev | lol | [00:28] |
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| up_the_irons | hey, another new person
samferry: welcome to #arpnetworks forcefollow: what's up? | [11:25] |
| jeev | heh | [11:30] |
| up_the_irons | anyone here network guys? I need opinions on this switch: "Foundry EdgeIron 48G EIF48G Gigabit Ethernet switch"
was thinking of getting it for running backups through it | [11:37] |
| jeev | runnin backups through a switch ? | [11:39] |
| up_the_irons | jeev: to connect to the backup servers?
why yes :) | [11:42] |
| jeev | that's the worst thing i heard
is it an expensive switch | [11:48] |
| up_the_irons | not really
about $800 used | [11:49] |
| jeev | this is going to be on a private network?
why not get a dell powerconnect or something and call it a day for 100 bux? | [11:50] |
| up_the_irons | i hate dell switches
cli management non-existent | [11:50] |
| jeev | of course it's existent
it's ieee, like ios | [11:51] |
| up_the_irons | also, it needs to be 4096 vlan capable
last time I configured a dell switch, I needed a windows machine to connect to it. FFS | [11:51] |
| jeev | check out the 5324
na that's a load i can connect one for you and let you terminal in ssh into the box and minicom ahh wait, no serial on the linux box there yea, it's ieee standard, works great. | [11:51] |
| up_the_irons | jeev: oh yeah? let me try :) | [11:52] |
| jeev | hmm, i'd have to get it on slax or something for you to conect
i should be in the office in about 30 minutes you'll wait ? | [11:52] |
| up_the_irons | jeev: it's not on a public network? | [11:52] |
| jeev | no
it's at the office, i have to ship to the datacenter | [11:52] |
| up_the_irons | jeev: yeah of course, no rush, i'm going out to breakfast now anyway | [11:52] |
| jeev | ok
bbiab | [11:52] |
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| up_the_irons | cd $food | [11:54] |
| heavysixer | up_the_irons: what up? | [11:54] |
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| jeev | hey | [13:55] |
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| Thorgrimr | buffer overflow re: $food | [15:48] |
| up_the_irons | i ate too much | [15:49] |
| baklava | I'm starving! | [15:50] |
| Thorgrimr | Yeah, me too... Chinese buffet | [15:50] |
| baklava | up_the_irons: so I was reading that you'd delegate rDNS? | [15:54] |
| up_the_irons | baklava: sure | [15:54] |
| baklava | cool. so do you have dedicated RAM? | [15:59] |
| up_the_irons | baklava: yeah, all VMs get dedicated RAM | [15:59] |
| baklava | Nice, what's the expected provisioning time after orders are placed? | [16:03] |
| up_the_irons | baklava: within 24 hours. if you order today, i'd set it up tonight
i'd actually set it up now, but i have to go to a friend's house now | [16:08] |
| Nat_UB | irons: drink one for me! | [16:09] |
| up_the_irons | LOL | [16:09] |
| Thorgrimr | Yeah, me too | [16:09] |
| up_the_irons | up_the_irons falls over | [16:09] |
| Nat_UB | baklava: Get hooked up...u won't be disappointed! | [16:09] |
| baklava | if you drink one for everyone, I'd might want to wait ;D | [16:09] |
| up_the_irons | hahaha
the wife is saying i'm holding up the show, time for me to bail | [16:09] |
| Nat_UB | irons: Already drinking? That's the way to keep it fun | [16:10] |
| up_the_irons | bbl | [16:10] |
| Thorgrimr | Oh, gotta obey! | [16:10] |
| baklava | oh, I'm sure I wouldn't be disappointed, it's just a matter of deciding who not to be disappointed with :) | [16:10] |
| Nat_UB | Whips cracking....head out | [16:10] |
| up_the_irons | cd $out | [16:10] |
| Nat_UB | baklava...who u looking at? | [16:10] |
| baklava | prgmr, rootbsd | [16:11] |
| Nat_UB | Rootbsd is nice...get much more for the money here...and IPv6 | [16:12] |
| baklava | yep, though they are fully virtualized on Xen, which is one of the reasons I was looking at them in the first place
I'm mainly comparing with prgmr | [16:15] |
| Nat_UB | Cool...never looked at them before... | [16:18] |
| baklava | I wanted to ask up_the_irons about discounts for multiple-month contracts | [16:18] |
| Nat_UB | Good luck...not sure on multi-month discounts...he'll be back later on | [16:18] |
| baklava | thanks, I wish I would have caught him an hour ago :P
do you know if he provides DNS hosting | [16:21] |
| Nat_UB | I'm a numbers guy...don't touch the stuff
:) honestly, I never asked...have my own DNS | [16:22] |
| baklava | yea, I'd want to run my own DNS too, but I may want to separate a domain or two from my IP
I don't know whether or not to groan or laugh when my mother sends me virus hoax forwards | [16:25] |
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| up_the_irons | baklava: I've given a 10% discount for 12 month signups | [22:36] |
| ballen | hmm anyone use Backblaze for desktop/laptop backup? | [22:37] |
| up_the_irons | baklava: I can host DNS for you, but it's not a control panel deal, you'll have to open a support ticket to make additions / changes. I encourage people to run their own DNS servers if they will be doing that a lot (we can delegate, of course)
ballen: interesting, I just read about them : http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-cheap-cloud-storage/ | [22:38] |
| ballen | yea I saw that | [22:38] |
| up_the_irons | crazy how many drives they put in a box | [22:38] |
| ballen | slow storage | [22:38] |
| up_the_irons | hehe | [22:38] |
| ballen | but lots of storage on the cheap | [22:38] |
| up_the_irons | yeah | [22:38] |
| ballen | about as cheap as you can get | [22:38] |
| up_the_irons | how fast do you need backups anyway? ;) | [22:38] |
| ballen | yea
I imagine they keep your data in mutliple places as least I jope hope | [22:38] |
| up_the_irons | i think that's what they said
even if the other "place" is the next rack over | [22:39] |
| ballen | well with that hardware design is needs it | [22:39] |
| up_the_irons | yeah | [22:39] |
| ballen | ugh, wish I was on campus the initial upload for backup takes freaking forver
need an uncapped OC-3 68gigs sitting on my laptop that needs backing up currently it sits on Amazon S3 as well ever see http://www.tarsnap.com/ | [22:44] |
| up_the_irons | baklava: not sure what you mean by "fully virtualized", but KVM/QEMU is a full virtualization solution. In the end, it is performance you care about anyway, and I don't think you'd be disappointed by the performance of my VMs. If you are, there's a 30 day guarantee; cancel and get your money back :) | [22:47] |
| ballen | run by the current FreeBSD Security Officer | [22:47] |
| up_the_irons | hehe
man i need some starbucks | [22:48] |
| ballen | that does sounds good | [22:49] |
| up_the_irons | thankfully, they are open until midnight in my area | [22:49] |
| ballen | 300 picodollars USD per byte of bandwidth used ($0.30 / GB), and
300 picodollars USD per byte-month of storage ($0.30 / GB / month). more expensive than S3 bleh 5 bucks a month unlimited from back blaze is better | [22:49] |
| up_the_irons | well duh
;) | [22:50] |
| ballen | hah | [22:50] |
| up_the_irons | S3 is expensive if u crunch the numbers | [22:50] |
| ballen | hmm so the question is where the hell do I get some good upload bandwidth for free | [22:50] |
| up_the_irons | S3 is all about going back to "feeding the meter", as is EC2. there was a great article about it recently, regarding cloud computing, gotta dig it up | [22:51] |
| ballen | yea | [22:51] |
| up_the_irons | wanna know what the cheapest storage is? | [22:51] |
| ballen | I have a copy of JungleDisk and use it with S3
suure? | [22:51] |
| up_the_irons | load up a 1U with 4 2TB disks and colo it for $50 per month somwhere | [22:51] |
| ballen | thats pretty damn expensive | [22:52] |
| up_the_irons | at $50, it doesn't even need to be reliable, it's a backup
8TB for $50 ? | [22:52] |
| ballen | gotta gover hardware costs
cover* | [22:52] |
| up_the_irons | that's pretty good
cheaper than S3 | [22:52] |
| ballen | true
I have 60-70GB that needs a good backup | [22:52] |
| up_the_irons | betcha backblaze has a hidden cap. all "unlimited" plans do | [22:53] |
| ballen | likely
but maybe not they're very web 2.0 ish | [22:53] |
| baklava | up_the_irons: hey, let me catch back up on the buffer | [22:53] |
| up_the_irons | even vonage terms of service says they can cut you off if you use too much of their unlimited $24.95 ;) | [22:53] |
| ballen | talked to the CEO when the Mac client beta came out | [22:54] |
| up_the_irons | baklava: sure | [22:54] |
| ballen | seemed fairly staright
straight* as far as being honest paying 14 a month at S3 | [22:54] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: anything unlimited would work like an all you can eat buffet. Why do they work? Because everyone has a physical limit to how much you can eat. Big fat f*ckers kill their business model; but for everyone else, it works ;) | [22:55] |
| ballen | ahahahahahah | [22:55] |
| up_the_irons | so anything "unlimited" banks on the fact that there is some hidden limit somewhere, and if there isn't, they have to make one up | [22:56] |
| ballen | yea
as long as I can max out my upload bandwidth, and don't run into a max limit I'm not worries wirried | [22:57] |
| up_the_irons | right now, this hidden limit might be the average disk utilization of some dude on their desktop. this would be proportional to what disk sizes are available in the market. right now, it's like 1TB - 2TB in SATA. and that's always going up
so i think something will give in these "unlimited" markets yeah | [22:59] |
| baklava | what's the bandwidth overage fee, and what are the options for handling it once the cap has been hit? | [23:00] |
| up_the_irons | i just thought of a funny "DoS" against backblaze (or anything unlimited service provider). Couldn't I just buy an account and keep on upload packs of 'dd if=/dev/zero of=foo bs=4M count=100000' files?
i mean, they say unlimited... bet ya i could fill up one of their red boxes ;) | [23:00] |
| ballen | hahaha
if you have the bandwidth be a good test wonder if they compress at all | [23:01] |
| up_the_irons | baklava: $0.50 / GB overage, and if you ever hit your limit, i'd probably just ask you to upgrade your plan, instead of pay overage :)
ballen: man i got me da bandwidth! | [23:02] |
| ballen | hah | [23:02] |
| up_the_irons | ballen: 4 Gbps is my total network, I could haul some ass! | [23:02] |
| ballen | actually they use JFS, so I doubt there is compression
unless they're doing it in code | [23:02] |
| up_the_irons | *actually*, that's a good point...
(not jFS ;) but bandwidth | [23:02] |
| ballen | hah
they may cap bandwidth at some point | [23:03] |
| up_the_irons | even if I have 4 Gbps, who says what they have? They could cap at whatever they want, limiting how much you could transfer | [23:03] |
| ballen | yep | [23:03] |
| up_the_irons | to some theoretical limit on what you could realistically store | [23:03] |
| ballen | about 7 months or so ago
I was doing 4MB/s up to them on a 10GB/s pipe | [23:03] |
| up_the_irons | so like 32 Mbps... not bad
ah | [23:04] |
| baklava | up_the_irons: yea, I'd rather just get cut off at that point as I shouldn't be hitting a bandwidth cap and if I did it would be due to something malicious | [23:04] |
| up_the_irons | baklava: I could make sure you never get overages, sure
baklava: you'd just get cut off at the max | [23:04] |
| ballen | hah, I was within a block of Blackblaze's office last month | [23:07] |
| wonder if they've tested out ZFS | [23:12] | |
| baklava | Alright, well I think that's all the questions I had. Now I just have to choose! Thanks for all the help. | [23:13] |
| up_the_irons | a guy I work with says ZFS is da bomb
baklava: no prob :) | [23:13] |
| ballen | ZFS is da domb
only thing is replication | [23:14] |
| up_the_irons | how so? | [23:16] |
| ballen | so you have send and receive
thats cool but something like DRBD or other live syncing | [23:20] |
| up_the_irons | i c
starbucks time cd $coffee | [23:21] |
| ballen | kk | [23:25] |
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| up_the_irons | up_the_irons wonders if it was baklava that just ordered | [23:57] |
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