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obsidieth has joined #arpnetworks obsidieth: anyone around?
i have a question about payment ballen: I am, but I don't work for ARP
just a customer mike-burns: I'm a paying customer, if that helps. obsidieth: what exactly is the process
like, can i pay from a paypal ballen: major credit cards I know are accepted
http://arpnetworks.com/order
yea 4 major credit cards obsidieth: so its really not possible without a credit card? mike-burns: I don't know whether it's not. up_the_irons will have the final rule on that. obsidieth: 10 4 ballen: yea I think he took a mini vacation for the weekend
so he may not get back to you right away obsidieth: i am not very experienced with purchasing things on the internet, i was hoping i could do a bank transfer or something
since i dont have a credit card. mike-burns: No debit card either?
Ah well up_the_irons will have some solution I'm sure. ballen: you can email him at gdolley [at] arpnetworks.com and ask him yourself. His first name is Garry mike-burns: Very friendly and helpful guy. ballen: he's typically accomidating, but no promised
promises* obsidieth: im sure theres a way.
as long as i can verify myself somehow ballen: yea
paypal double dips on payments now obsidieth: im not sure what that means ballen: so I doubt that'll be a good solution
Paypal use to charge the merchent only they're fees
now they take a cut from the user, and merchant
at least that is what I have read mike-burns: I've heard this as well. Also not verified, but we're two independent potentially-correct sources. obsidieth: so would emailing Garry be my best bet ballen: heh obsidieth: im not exactly in a hurry. ballen: likely or just pop in here when he's around mike-burns: Definitely do email him, but don't be a stranger! ballen: if you can just leave your irc client open and leave him a question on here, he'll answer when he gets back
but email would be easier obsidieth: ill probably idle here reguardless.
im pretty excited to make this work one way or another ballen: wha ya trying to setup?
no one would just happen to know the strftime to make 04/08/2009 format off the top of thier head? mike-burns: Not accurately, but how about %D%M%Y ?
... with slashes
Oh wait, is the 08 the month or the day? If it's the day, %D will do. obsidieth: well, ive been hosting my own freebsd box for quite some time ballen: Time.now.strftime("%M/%d/%Y") obsidieth: just for light webhosting and some irc needs
but i live in australia, so bandwith and uptime is shakey. ballen: ah right on obsidieth: ive also been pretty interested in ipv6
running my own tunnel, would be nice to have native ballen: ARP seems to have good latency and such to Asia so I'd imagine it'd do well to Australia
yea you get a /48 IPv6 block
not sure why we need that much obsidieth: haha yeah its a shitload of addresses
but hey why not. ballen: have you tested ping time, download speed etc yet? obsidieth: not yet.
i thought i would see if i could actually purchase one first. ballen: I know there is a link to a 100 meg file on the website obsidieth: well i only get about 120kbs down, so its not going to be much of a test ballen: ah
can ping my box @ 208.79.89.202
not blocking icmp obsidieth: 190 ish ballen: prolly can ping arpnetworks.com as well
not bad for going across the world obsidieth: indeed.
well the other shellbox i work on is about 270, so its definitely an improvement ballen: cool
nothing semi-local that'd do? obsidieth: australia is pretty poor for hosting
i have looked around, you generally spend the same if not more for an inferior machine and only one ip. ballen: shitty
oh wtf 52/15/2009 mike-burns: Oh, capitals are time. Whoops! ballen: lmao
ya
Time.now.strftime("%m/%d/%Y")
moving http://sysadminschronicles.com/
to a Sinatra app mike-burns: Oh cool. ballen: http://mail.sysadminschronicles.com/
which is the new app
based on Scanty-redis mike-burns: No visual change, so good job there.
Oh, slight visual changes. ballen: yea some tweaks here and there are needed
no more catagories
since its using redis
instead of sqlite mike-burns: Can't use categories with redis, or it doesn't make sense? ballen: umm mike-burns: I'm not familiar with redis. ballen: didn't include it in the schema
its a key/value db
like memcache, but with quite a bit more types of data
like sets and lists mike-burns: Okay, so no more categories 'cause you didn't feel like it? ballen: basically mike-burns: The best reason indeed. ballen: each story has tags
and tags can be indexed mike-burns: Tags are more useful than categories, I've found. ballen: each time you add some other way to index data, i.e. categories you have to duplicate a lot of db in a key/value db
db = data*
which means you have to keep track of it
and be able to modify, and delete it mike-burns: I see. Way too much work. ballen: yep
redis is all of 10k lines of code
so its super light
and has presistent storage
but stores everything in memory mike-burns: Sure, but what are you gaining from it for a blog? ballen: writes it out to disk async
it uses like 10megs of ram
compared to mysql or pgsql mike-burns: Oh low RAM is nice. ballen: and its wicked fast
and can scale mike-burns: How does it scale? ballen: redis-rb (redis ruby connector) can do a hash ring mike-burns: That sounds both fancy and useful. ballen: just a way to distribute key/value db's horizontally
basically all data is hashed and each db takes a range of hashes mike-burns: Oh okay, that makes sense. ballen: you can add nodes and it just sections up a section mike-burns: Kinda like partitioning but for k/v stores. ballen: redis also has master -> slave replication built directly in mike-burns: 100% buzzword compliant! ballen: absolutely mhoran: Can't get better than that. ballen: its my fav db of the new crazy db's out today
working with a key/value db is a pain in the ass though mike-burns: I haven't tried any of the new ones yet. Soon, soon. ballen: at least when you're used to ActiveRecord easy'ness
yea mike-burns: I think I'd prefer transparent object persistence, if that were possible. ballen: http://github.com/unilogic/scanty-redis/tree/master
thats my fork of scanty
if you ever wanted to play with redis
added user auth
and look and feel mike-burns: Cool. ballen: should fix the readme so people actually know how to make the first user obsidieth: you dont have a network map do ya? ballen: oh wha
of* obsidieth: peering points and borders ? ballen: hmm
nope
http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/as-report?as=AS25795&v=4&view=2.0
that should have some info
ARP is AS25795 in BGP land obsidieth: thanks, found what i needed.
hopefully we can make this work :) ballen: np, I'm sure you'll be able to figure out -: up_the_irons swoops into the party up_the_irons: hey all.. looks like i got some scrollback to read... :) -: up_the_irons reads ballen: heh yea obsidieth: o up_the_irons: i coulda told ya the %m/%d/%Y, it's the most common one ;) (at least for me in the US) ballen: heh yea up_the_irons: obsidieth: i should have a peer list and maybe even a looking glass, but I don't yet, hehe obsidieth: its not that important:p
payment method is whats concerning me at th moment up_the_irons: we can work it out, i'm typing a reply to your email obsidieth: ah ok:p i wouldnt have sent it
oh well, forgot my timezones, thought you would have had more 'vacation' left up_the_irons: still on vacation, but everyone is alseep except me :) obsidieth: ah up_the_irons: you in australia? obsidieth: yep
victorian. up_the_irons: identity verification -- tell me the jellyfish found only on some beaches in Oz that can kill a human in 2 minutes... ;) ballen: box jelly? obsidieth: box ?
:p ballen: hah Discovery Channel FTW up_the_irons: i couple of my friends are from australia, they live in the US now. one from Carns, one from Melbourne, they told me the jellyfish story...
s/i/a/
ballen: obsidieth: I believe you both got it right at the same time obsidieth: we certainly have some nasty critters over here
snakes especially ballen: yea f that noise, not a fan of poisonous snakes up_the_irons: and spiders, oh man the SPIDERS -: up_the_irons <-- not a spider fan up_the_irons: i was gonna visit Oz until my friend told me about the spiders obsidieth: i am fairly afraid of spiders up_the_irons: obsidieth: just sent a reply to your email btw obsidieth: but in my time here ive only ever seen harmless ones.
10 4 up_the_irons: ah
not the kind that are the size of a bowling ball? ;) obsidieth: we get 'huntsmen' or somethin
which look terrifying but dont hurt humans, they just eat flies -: up_the_irons runs obsidieth: http://www.spiderzrule.com/spiderphotos/huntsman241003.jpg :o up_the_irons: obsidieth: what were you looking for in the cidr-report btw? just curious obsidieth: nothing especially, i was talking to my buddy who works in a datacentre who said to check up_the_irons: obsidieth: what's the scale on that bad boy?
is it as huge as it looks? :) obsidieth: probably as big as your palm
or a bit less up_the_irons: f that noise
noooooooooooooo thanks
;)
although given i just viewed it on my 15" T61 screen, if it was a 1:1 ratio, i'd be horrified obsidieth: haha. ballen: ugh I'd rather not run into one of those obsidieth: they do creepy stuff
like just hang out on your wall for half a day till you see them -: up_the_irons gets chills up_the_irons: that's just wrong obsidieth: 6 month intervals should be fine
i was hoping to try it for a month or something first, but i think this is viable up_the_irons: so u see it in the corner of your eye, and then find out it has been there all day, guh
obsidieth: i'm pretty sure you'll like it anyway, have got raving reviews about my FreeBSD VMs ;) obsidieth: yeah im pretty sure as well. up_the_irons: btw, you guys were talking earlier about pings to Australia being good. let me point out some new text on the website put up last week -- "Latency to Asia and Australia is especially good because we have peers that feed us direct routes to those regions."
-- http://arpnetworks.com/vps
:) obsidieth: round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 187.766/188.537/189.798/0.610 ms up_the_irons: cool
i'm getting 191 ms avg to you obsidieth: nice. up_the_irons: is decrypted.org your domain? i like it obsidieth: naw, afraid.org up_the_irons: that one is pretty nice too
have people offered to buy it? :) obsidieth: i mean
afraid.org is a freedns service.
free account comes with 5 subdomains from a massive list that people have regged there, decrypted.org is one of them up_the_irons: oh oh, i c
cool obsidieth: yeah its pretty handy, since my isp does free rdns i thought i might as well up_the_irons: yeah, cool obsidieth: ill hang around here, but its just a matter of getting 120$ together up front noww up_the_irons: cool, just register at https://portal.arpnetworks.com when you're ready obsidieth: will do ballen: up_the_irons: did you get my order info and all that jazz up_the_irons: ballen: yup, thanks ballen: coolio up_the_irons: obsidieth: nx
*tnx obsidieth: with say 20$ a month, is there room to change the specs around a little? up_the_irons: obsidieth: yeah, what did you have in mind? ballen: 4GB of RAM, 1GB of HD?
;-) obsidieth: haha, thatl do
when it says dedicated ips, does the 20$ a month just come with a single ip? ballen: trading 19 GB for 3.25 ;-) up_the_irons: ballen: LOL
obsidieth: yeah, just 1 IP of IPv4, and a /48 of IPv6
and you guys thought it was weird to get a whole /48 -- read RFC 3177 ("IAB/IESG Recommendations on IPv6 Address Allocations to Sites") and RFC 5375 ("IPv6 Unicast Address Assignment Considerations")
:) obsidieth: the package sounds pretty unbeatable, i just thought i would ask
i have not purchased my own server before, i wanna get it right ballen: yes I know /48 is std to get to a host
give
still is wierd
what the hell do you need 65k addresses for