anyone around?
i have a question about payment
I am, but I don't work for ARP
just a customer
I'm a paying customer, if that helps.
what exactly is the process
like, can i pay from a paypal
major credit cards I know are accepted
http://arpnetworks.com/order
yea 4 major credit cards
so its really not possible without a credit card?
I don't know whether it's not. up_the_irons will have the final rule on that.
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yea I think he took a mini vacation for the weekend
so he may not get back to you right away
i am not very experienced with purchasing things on the internet, i was hoping i could do a bank transfer or something
since i dont have a credit card.
No debit card either?
Ah well up_the_irons will have some solution I'm sure.
you can email him at gdolley [at] arpnetworks.com and ask him yourself. His first name is Garry
Very friendly and helpful guy.
he's typically accomidating, but no promised
promises*
im sure theres a way.
as long as i can verify myself somehow
yea
paypal double dips on payments now
im not sure what that means
so I doubt that'll be a good solution
Paypal use to charge the merchent only they're fees
now they take a cut from the user, and merchant
at least that is what I have read
I've heard this as well. Also not verified, but we're two independent potentially-correct sources.
so would emailing Garry be my best bet
heh
im not exactly in a hurry.
likely or just pop in here when he's around
Definitely do email him, but don't be a stranger!
if you can just leave your irc client open and leave him a question on here, he'll answer when he gets back
but email would be easier
ill probably idle here reguardless.
im pretty excited to make this work one way or another
wha ya trying to setup?
no one would just happen to know the strftime to make 04/08/2009 format off the top of thier head?
Not accurately, but how about %D%M%Y ?
... with slashes
Oh wait, is the 08 the month or the day? If it's the day, %D will do.
well, ive been hosting my own freebsd box for quite some time
Time.now.strftime("%M/%d/%Y")
just for light webhosting and some irc needs
but i live in australia, so bandwith and uptime is shakey.
ah right on
ive also been pretty interested in ipv6
running my own tunnel, would be nice to have native
ARP seems to have good latency and such to Asia so I'd imagine it'd do well to Australia
yea you get a /48 IPv6 block
not sure why we need that much
haha yeah its a shitload of addresses
but hey why not.
have you tested ping time, download speed etc yet?
not yet.
i thought i would see if i could actually purchase one first.
I know there is a link to a 100 meg file on the website
well i only get about 120kbs down, so its not going to be much of a test
ah
can ping my box @ 208.79.89.202
not blocking icmp
190 ish
prolly can ping arpnetworks.com as well
not bad for going across the world
indeed.
well the other shellbox i work on is about 270, so its definitely an improvement
cool
nothing semi-local that'd do?
australia is pretty poor for hosting
i have looked around, you generally spend the same if not more for an inferior machine and only one ip.
shitty
oh wtf 52/15/2009
Oh, capitals are time. Whoops!
lmao
ya
Time.now.strftime("%m/%d/%Y")
moving http://sysadminschronicles.com/
to a Sinatra app
Oh cool.
http://mail.sysadminschronicles.com/
which is the new app
based on Scanty-redis
No visual change, so good job there.
Oh, slight visual changes.
yea some tweaks here and there are needed
no more catagories
since its using redis
instead of sqlite
Can't use categories with redis, or it doesn't make sense?
umm
I'm not familiar with redis.
didn't include it in the schema
its a key/value db
like memcache, but with quite a bit more types of data
like sets and lists
Okay, so no more categories 'cause you didn't feel like it?
basically
The best reason indeed.
each story has tags
and tags can be indexed
Tags are more useful than categories, I've found.
each time you add some other way to index data, i.e. categories you have to duplicate a lot of db in a key/value db
db = data*
which means you have to keep track of it
and be able to modify, and delete it
I see. Way too much work.
yep
redis is all of 10k lines of code
so its super light
and has presistent storage
but stores everything in memory
Sure, but what are you gaining from it for a blog?
writes it out to disk async
it uses like 10megs of ram
compared to mysql or pgsql
Oh low RAM is nice.
and its wicked fast
and can scale
How does it scale?
redis-rb (redis ruby connector) can do a hash ring
That sounds both fancy and useful.
just a way to distribute key/value db's horizontally
basically all data is hashed and each db takes a range of hashes
Oh okay, that makes sense.
you can add nodes and it just sections up a section
Kinda like partitioning but for k/v stores.
redis also has master -> slave replication built directly in
100% buzzword compliant!
absolutely
Can't get better than that.
its my fav db of the new crazy db's out today
working with a key/value db is a pain in the ass though
I haven't tried any of the new ones yet. Soon, soon.
at least when you're used to ActiveRecord easy'ness
yea
I think I'd prefer transparent object persistence, if that were possible.
http://github.com/unilogic/scanty-redis/tree/master
thats my fork of scanty
if you ever wanted to play with redis
added user auth
and look and feel
Cool.
should fix the readme so people actually know how to make the first user
you dont have a network map do ya?
oh wha
of*
peering points and borders ?
hmm
nope
http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/as-report?as=AS25795&v=4&view=2.0
that should have some info
ARP is AS25795 in BGP land
thanks, found what i needed.
hopefully we can make this work :)
np, I'm sure you'll be able to figure out
hey all..  looks like i got some scrollback to read... :)
heh yea
\o
i coulda told ya the %m/%d/%Y, it's the most common one ;)  (at least for me in the US)
heh yea
obsidieth: i should have a peer list and maybe even a looking glass, but I don't yet, hehe
its not that important:p
payment method is whats concerning me at th moment
we can work it out, i'm typing a reply to your email
ah ok:p i wouldnt have sent it
oh well, forgot my timezones, thought you would have had more 'vacation' left
still on vacation, but everyone is alseep except me :)
ah
you in australia?
yep
victorian.
identity verification -- tell me the jellyfish found only on some beaches in Oz that can kill a human in 2 minutes... ;)
box jelly?
box ?
:p
hah Discovery Channel FTW
i couple of my friends are from australia, they live in the US now.  one from Carns, one from Melbourne, they told me the jellyfish story...
s/i/a/
ballen: obsidieth: I believe you both got it right at the same time
we certainly have some nasty critters over here
snakes especially
yea f that noise, not a fan of poisonous snakes
and spiders, oh man the SPIDERS
i was gonna visit Oz until my friend told me about the spiders
i am fairly afraid of spiders
obsidieth: just sent a reply to your email btw
but in my time here ive only ever seen harmless ones.
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ah
not the kind that are the size of a bowling ball? ;)
we get 'huntsmen' or somethin
which look terrifying but dont hurt humans, they just eat flies
http://www.spiderzrule.com/spiderphotos/huntsman241003.jpg :o
obsidieth: what were you looking for in the cidr-report btw? just curious
nothing especially, i was talking to my buddy who works in a datacentre who said to check
obsidieth: what's the scale on that bad boy?
is it as huge as it looks?  :)
probably as big as your palm
or a bit less
f that noise
noooooooooooooo thanks
;)
although given i just viewed it on my 15" T61 screen, if it was a 1:1 ratio, i'd be horrified
haha.
ugh I'd rather not run into one of those
they do creepy stuff
like just hang out on your wall for half a day till you see them
that's just wrong
6 month intervals should be fine
i was hoping to try it for a month or something first, but i think this is viable
so u see it in the corner of your eye, and then find out it has been there all day, guh
obsidieth: i'm pretty sure you'll like it anyway, have got raving reviews about my FreeBSD VMs ;)
yeah im pretty sure as well.
btw, you guys were talking earlier about pings to Australia being good.  let me point out some new text on the website put up last week -- "Latency to Asia and Australia is especially good because we have peers that feed us direct routes to those regions."
-- http://arpnetworks.com/vps
:)
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 187.766/188.537/189.798/0.610 ms
cool
i'm getting 191 ms avg to you
nice.
is decrypted.org your domain?  i like it
naw, afraid.org
that one is pretty nice too
have people offered to buy it? :)
i mean
afraid.org is a freedns service.
free account comes with 5 subdomains from a massive list that people have regged there, decrypted.org is one of them
oh oh, i c
cool
yeah its pretty handy, since my isp does free rdns i thought i might as well
yeah, cool
ill hang around here, but its just a matter of getting 120$ together up front noww
cool, just register at https://portal.arpnetworks.com when you're ready
will do
up_the_irons: did you get my order info and all that jazz
ballen: yup, thanks
coolio
obsidieth: nx
*tnx
with say 20$ a month, is there room to change the specs around a little?
obsidieth: yeah, what did you have in mind?
4GB of RAM, 1GB of HD?
;-)
haha, thatl do
when it says dedicated ips, does the 20$ a month just come with a single ip?
trading 19 GB for 3.25 ;-)
ballen: LOL
obsidieth: yeah, just 1 IP of IPv4, and a /48 of IPv6
and you guys thought it was weird to get a whole /48 -- read RFC 3177 ("IAB/IESG Recommendations on IPv6 Address Allocations to Sites") and RFC 5375 ("IPv6 Unicast Address Assignment Considerations")
:)
the package sounds pretty unbeatable, i just thought i would ask
i have not purchased my own server before, i wanna get it right
yes I know /48 is std to get to a host
give
still is wierd
what the hell do you need 65k addresses for