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[21:45] *** obsidieth has joined #arpnetworks [21:45] anyone around? [21:52] i have a question about payment [21:56] I am, but I don't work for ARP [21:56] just a customer [21:56] I'm a paying customer, if that helps. [21:59] what exactly is the process [21:59] like, can i pay from a paypal [21:59] major credit cards I know are accepted [22:00] http://arpnetworks.com/order [22:00] yea 4 major credit cards [22:01] so its really not possible without a credit card? [22:02] I don't know whether it's not. up_the_irons will have the final rule on that. [22:02] 10 4 [22:02] yea I think he took a mini vacation for the weekend [22:03] so he may not get back to you right away [22:03] i am not very experienced with purchasing things on the internet, i was hoping i could do a bank transfer or something [22:03] since i dont have a credit card. [22:03] No debit card either? [22:04] Ah well up_the_irons will have some solution I'm sure. [22:04] you can email him at gdolley [at] arpnetworks.com and ask him yourself. His first name is Garry [22:04] Very friendly and helpful guy. [22:04] he's typically accomidating, but no promised [22:04] promises* [22:04] im sure theres a way. [22:04] as long as i can verify myself somehow [22:05] yea [22:05] paypal double dips on payments now [22:05] im not sure what that means [22:05] so I doubt that'll be a good solution [22:05] Paypal use to charge the merchent only they're fees [22:05] now they take a cut from the user, and merchant [22:06] at least that is what I have read [22:06] I've heard this as well. Also not verified, but we're two independent potentially-correct sources. [22:07] so would emailing Garry be my best bet [22:07] heh [22:07] im not exactly in a hurry. [22:07] likely or just pop in here when he's around [22:08] Definitely do email him, but don't be a stranger! [22:08] if you can just leave your irc client open and leave him a question on here, he'll answer when he gets back [22:08] but email would be easier [22:10] ill probably idle here reguardless. [22:10] im pretty excited to make this work one way or another [22:11] wha ya trying to setup? [22:12] no one would just happen to know the strftime to make 04/08/2009 format off the top of thier head? [22:12] Not accurately, but how about %D%M%Y ? [22:13] ... with slashes [22:13] Oh wait, is the 08 the month or the day? If it's the day, %D will do. [22:13] well, ive been hosting my own freebsd box for quite some time [22:13] Time.now.strftime("%M/%d/%Y") [22:13] just for light webhosting and some irc needs [22:13] but i live in australia, so bandwith and uptime is shakey. [22:13] ah right on [22:14] ive also been pretty interested in ipv6 [22:14] running my own tunnel, would be nice to have native [22:14] ARP seems to have good latency and such to Asia so I'd imagine it'd do well to Australia [22:14] yea you get a /48 IPv6 block [22:14] not sure why we need that much [22:15] haha yeah its a shitload of addresses [22:15] but hey why not. [22:15] have you tested ping time, download speed etc yet? [22:15] not yet. [22:16] i thought i would see if i could actually purchase one first. [22:16] I know there is a link to a 100 meg file on the website [22:16] well i only get about 120kbs down, so its not going to be much of a test [22:16] ah [22:17] can ping my box @ 208.79.89.202 [22:17] not blocking icmp [22:17] 190 ish [22:17] prolly can ping arpnetworks.com as well [22:17] not bad for going across the world [22:17] indeed. [22:18] well the other shellbox i work on is about 270, so its definitely an improvement [22:18] cool [22:18] nothing semi-local that'd do? [22:18] australia is pretty poor for hosting [22:18] i have looked around, you generally spend the same if not more for an inferior machine and only one ip. [22:19] shitty [22:20] oh wtf 52/15/2009 [22:20] Oh, capitals are time. Whoops! [22:20] lmao [22:20] ya [22:20] Time.now.strftime("%m/%d/%Y") [22:21] moving http://sysadminschronicles.com/ [22:21] to a Sinatra app [22:21] Oh cool. [22:21] http://mail.sysadminschronicles.com/ [22:21] which is the new app [22:22] based on Scanty-redis [22:22] No visual change, so good job there. [22:22] Oh, slight visual changes. [22:22] yea some tweaks here and there are needed [22:22] no more catagories [22:22] since its using redis [22:23] instead of sqlite [22:23] Can't use categories with redis, or it doesn't make sense? [22:23] umm [22:23] I'm not familiar with redis. [22:23] didn't include it in the schema [22:23] its a key/value db [22:24] like memcache, but with quite a bit more types of data [22:24] like sets and lists [22:24] Okay, so no more categories 'cause you didn't feel like it? [22:24] basically [22:24] The best reason indeed. [22:24] each story has tags [22:24] and tags can be indexed [22:24] Tags are more useful than categories, I've found. [22:25] each time you add some other way to index data, i.e. categories you have to duplicate a lot of db in a key/value db [22:25] db = data* [22:25] which means you have to keep track of it [22:25] and be able to modify, and delete it [22:26] I see. Way too much work. [22:26] yep [22:26] redis is all of 10k lines of code [22:26] so its super light [22:26] and has presistent storage [22:26] but stores everything in memory [22:27] Sure, but what are you gaining from it for a blog? [22:27] writes it out to disk async [22:27] it uses like 10megs of ram [22:27] compared to mysql or pgsql [22:27] Oh low RAM is nice. [22:27] and its wicked fast [22:27] and can scale [22:28] How does it scale? [22:28] redis-rb (redis ruby connector) can do a hash ring [22:28] That sounds both fancy and useful. [22:29] just a way to distribute key/value db's horizontally [22:29] basically all data is hashed and each db takes a range of hashes [22:29] Oh okay, that makes sense. [22:30] you can add nodes and it just sections up a section [22:30] Kinda like partitioning but for k/v stores. [22:30] redis also has master -> slave replication built directly in [22:30] 100% buzzword compliant! [22:30] absolutely [22:31] Can't get better than that. [22:31] its my fav db of the new crazy db's out today [22:31] working with a key/value db is a pain in the ass though [22:31] I haven't tried any of the new ones yet. Soon, soon. [22:32] at least when you're used to ActiveRecord easy'ness [22:32] yea [22:32] I think I'd prefer transparent object persistence, if that were possible. [22:32] http://github.com/unilogic/scanty-redis/tree/master [22:32] thats my fork of scanty [22:32] if you ever wanted to play with redis [22:32] added user auth [22:33] and look and feel [22:33] Cool. [22:34] should fix the readme so people actually know how to make the first user [22:34] you dont have a network map do ya? [22:35] oh wha [22:35] of* [22:36] peering points and borders ? [22:37] hmm [22:37] nope [22:38] http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/as-report?as=AS25795&v=4&view=2.0 [22:38] that should have some info [22:38] ARP is AS25795 in BGP land [22:51] thanks, found what i needed. [22:51] hopefully we can make this work :) [23:04] np, I'm sure you'll be able to figure out [23:06] * up_the_irons swoops into the party [23:06] hey all.. looks like i got some scrollback to read... :) [23:06] * up_the_irons reads [23:06] heh yea [23:09] \o [23:17] i coulda told ya the %m/%d/%Y, it's the most common one ;) (at least for me in the US) [23:17] heh yea [23:18] obsidieth: i should have a peer list and maybe even a looking glass, but I don't yet, hehe [23:18] its not that important:p [23:19] payment method is whats concerning me at th moment [23:19] we can work it out, i'm typing a reply to your email [23:20] ah ok:p i wouldnt have sent it [23:20] oh well, forgot my timezones, thought you would have had more 'vacation' left [23:21] still on vacation, but everyone is alseep except me :) [23:21] ah [23:21] you in australia? [23:22] yep [23:22] victorian. [23:23] identity verification -- tell me the jellyfish found only on some beaches in Oz that can kill a human in 2 minutes... ;) [23:24] box jelly? [23:25] box ? [23:25] :p [23:25] hah Discovery Channel FTW [23:25] i couple of my friends are from australia, they live in the US now. one from Carns, one from Melbourne, they told me the jellyfish story... [23:25] s/i/a/ [23:26] ballen: obsidieth: I believe you both got it right at the same time [23:26] we certainly have some nasty critters over here [23:26] snakes especially [23:27] yea f that noise, not a fan of poisonous snakes [23:28] and spiders, oh man the SPIDERS [23:28] * up_the_irons <-- not a spider fan [23:28] i was gonna visit Oz until my friend told me about the spiders [23:29] i am fairly afraid of spiders [23:29] obsidieth: just sent a reply to your email btw [23:29] but in my time here ive only ever seen harmless ones. [23:29] 10 4 [23:29] ah [23:29] not the kind that are the size of a bowling ball? ;) [23:30] we get 'huntsmen' or somethin [23:30] which look terrifying but dont hurt humans, they just eat flies [23:30] * up_the_irons runs [23:31] http://www.spiderzrule.com/spiderphotos/huntsman241003.jpg :o [23:31] obsidieth: what were you looking for in the cidr-report btw? just curious [23:31] nothing especially, i was talking to my buddy who works in a datacentre who said to check [23:31] obsidieth: what's the scale on that bad boy? [23:32] is it as huge as it looks? :) [23:32] probably as big as your palm [23:32] or a bit less [23:32] f that noise [23:32] noooooooooooooo thanks [23:32] ;) [23:33] although given i just viewed it on my 15" T61 screen, if it was a 1:1 ratio, i'd be horrified [23:33] haha. [23:34] ugh I'd rather not run into one of those [23:34] they do creepy stuff [23:34] like just hang out on your wall for half a day till you see them [23:35] * up_the_irons gets chills [23:35] that's just wrong [23:35] 6 month intervals should be fine [23:36] i was hoping to try it for a month or something first, but i think this is viable [23:36] so u see it in the corner of your eye, and then find out it has been there all day, guh [23:37] obsidieth: i'm pretty sure you'll like it anyway, have got raving reviews about my FreeBSD VMs ;) [23:38] yeah im pretty sure as well. [23:38] btw, you guys were talking earlier about pings to Australia being good. let me point out some new text on the website put up last week -- "Latency to Asia and Australia is especially good because we have peers that feed us direct routes to those regions." [23:38] -- http://arpnetworks.com/vps [23:38] :) [23:39] round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 187.766/188.537/189.798/0.610 ms [23:40] cool [23:40] i'm getting 191 ms avg to you [23:41] nice. [23:41] is decrypted.org your domain? i like it [23:41] naw, afraid.org [23:41] that one is pretty nice too [23:41] have people offered to buy it? :) [23:42] i mean [23:42] afraid.org is a freedns service. [23:42] free account comes with 5 subdomains from a massive list that people have regged there, decrypted.org is one of them [23:43] oh oh, i c [23:43] cool [23:43] yeah its pretty handy, since my isp does free rdns i thought i might as well [23:44] yeah, cool [23:44] ill hang around here, but its just a matter of getting 120$ together up front noww [23:45] cool, just register at https://portal.arpnetworks.com when you're ready [23:46] will do [23:46] up_the_irons: did you get my order info and all that jazz [23:46] ballen: yup, thanks [23:46] coolio [23:47] obsidieth: nx [23:47] *tnx [23:48] with say 20$ a month, is there room to change the specs around a little? [23:49] obsidieth: yeah, what did you have in mind? [23:49] 4GB of RAM, 1GB of HD? [23:49] ;-) [23:50] haha, thatl do [23:50] when it says dedicated ips, does the 20$ a month just come with a single ip? [23:50] trading 19 GB for 3.25 ;-) [23:54] ballen: LOL [23:54] obsidieth: yeah, just 1 IP of IPv4, and a /48 of IPv6 [23:56] and you guys thought it was weird to get a whole /48 -- read RFC 3177 ("IAB/IESG Recommendations on IPv6 Address Allocations to Sites") and RFC 5375 ("IPv6 Unicast Address Assignment Considerations") [23:56] :) [23:56] the package sounds pretty unbeatable, i just thought i would ask [23:57] i have not purchased my own server before, i wanna get it right [23:58] yes I know /48 is std to get to a host [23:58] give [23:58] still is wierd [23:58] what the hell do you need 65k addresses for