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obsidieth: anyone around?
<br> i have a question about payment
ballen: I am, but I don't work for ARP
<br> just a customer
mike-burns: I'm a paying customer, if that helps.
obsidieth: what exactly is the process
<br> like, can i pay from a paypal
ballen: major credit cards I know are accepted
<br> http://arpnetworks.com/order
<br> yea 4 major credit cards
obsidieth: so its really not possible without a credit card?
mike-burns: I don't know whether it's not. up_the_irons will have the final rule on that.
obsidieth: 10 4
ballen: yea I think he took a mini vacation for the weekend
<br> so he may not get back to you right away
obsidieth: i am not very experienced with purchasing things on the internet, i was hoping i could do a bank transfer or something
<br> since i dont have a credit card.
mike-burns: No debit card either?
<br> Ah well up_the_irons will have some solution I'm sure.
ballen: you can email him at gdolley [at] arpnetworks.com and ask him yourself. His first name is Garry
mike-burns: Very friendly and helpful guy.
ballen: he's typically accomidating, but no promised
<br> promises*
obsidieth: im sure theres a way.
<br> as long as i can verify myself somehow
ballen: yea
<br> paypal double dips on payments now
obsidieth: im not sure what that means
ballen: so I doubt that'll be a good solution
<br> Paypal use to charge the merchent only they're fees
<br> now they take a cut from the user, and merchant
<br> at least that is what I have read
mike-burns: I've heard this as well. Also not verified, but we're two independent potentially-correct sources.
obsidieth: so would emailing Garry be my best bet
ballen: heh
obsidieth: im not exactly in a hurry.
ballen: likely or just pop in here when he's around
mike-burns: Definitely do email him, but don't be a stranger!
ballen: if you can just leave your irc client open and leave him a question on here, he'll answer when he gets back
<br> but email would be easier
obsidieth: ill probably idle here reguardless.
<br> im pretty excited to make this work one way or another
ballen: wha ya trying to setup?
<br> no one would just happen to know the strftime to make 04/08/2009 format off the top of thier head?
mike-burns: Not accurately, but how about %D%M%Y ?
<br> ... with slashes
<br> Oh wait, is the 08 the month or the day? If it's the day, %D will do.
obsidieth: well, ive been hosting my own freebsd box for quite some time
ballen: Time.now.strftime("%M/%d/%Y")
obsidieth: just for light webhosting and some irc needs
<br> but i live in australia, so bandwith and uptime is shakey.
ballen: ah right on
obsidieth: ive also been pretty interested in ipv6
<br> running my own tunnel, would be nice to have native
ballen: ARP seems to have good latency and such to Asia so I'd imagine it'd do well to Australia
<br> yea you get a /48 IPv6 block
<br> not sure why we need that much
obsidieth: haha yeah its a shitload of addresses
<br> but hey why not.
ballen: have you tested ping time, download speed etc yet?
obsidieth: not yet.
<br> i thought i would see if i could actually purchase one first.
ballen: I know there is a link to a 100 meg file on the website
obsidieth: well i only get about 120kbs down, so its not going to be much of a test
ballen: ah
<br> can ping my box @ 208.79.89.202
<br> not blocking icmp
obsidieth: 190 ish
ballen: prolly can ping arpnetworks.com as well
<br> not bad for going across the world
obsidieth: indeed.
<br> well the other shellbox i work on is about 270, so its definitely an improvement
ballen: cool
<br> nothing semi-local that'd do?
obsidieth: australia is pretty poor for hosting
<br> i have looked around, you generally spend the same if not more for an inferior machine and only one ip.
ballen: shitty
<br> oh wtf 52/15/2009
mike-burns: Oh, capitals are time. Whoops!
ballen: lmao
<br> ya
<br> Time.now.strftime("%m/%d/%Y")
<br> moving http://sysadminschronicles.com/
<br> to a Sinatra app
mike-burns: Oh cool.
ballen: http://mail.sysadminschronicles.com/
<br> which is the new app
<br> based on Scanty-redis
mike-burns: No visual change, so good job there.
<br> Oh, slight visual changes.
ballen: yea some tweaks here and there are needed
<br> no more catagories
<br> since its using redis
<br> instead of sqlite
mike-burns: Can't use categories with redis, or it doesn't make sense?
ballen: umm
mike-burns: I'm not familiar with redis.
ballen: didn't include it in the schema
<br> its a key/value db
<br> like memcache, but with quite a bit more types of data
<br> like sets and lists
mike-burns: Okay, so no more categories 'cause you didn't feel like it?
ballen: basically
mike-burns: The best reason indeed.
ballen: each story has tags
<br> and tags can be indexed
mike-burns: Tags are more useful than categories, I've found.
ballen: each time you add some other way to index data, i.e. categories you have to duplicate a lot of db in a key/value db
<br> db = data*
<br> which means you have to keep track of it
<br> and be able to modify, and delete it
mike-burns: I see. Way too much work.
ballen: yep
<br> redis is all of 10k lines of code
<br> so its super light
<br> and has presistent storage
<br> but stores everything in memory
mike-burns: Sure, but what are you gaining from it for a blog?
ballen: writes it out to disk async
<br> it uses like 10megs of ram
<br> compared to mysql or pgsql
mike-burns: Oh low RAM is nice.
ballen: and its wicked fast
<br> and can scale
mike-burns: How does it scale?
ballen: redis-rb (redis ruby connector) can do a hash ring
mike-burns: That sounds both fancy and useful.
ballen: just a way to distribute key/value db's horizontally
<br> basically all data is hashed and each db takes a range of hashes
mike-burns: Oh okay, that makes sense.
ballen: you can add nodes and it just sections up a section
mike-burns: Kinda like partitioning but for k/v stores.
ballen: redis also has master -> slave replication built directly in
mike-burns: 100% buzzword compliant!
ballen: absolutely
mhoran: Can't get better than that.
ballen: its my fav db of the new crazy db's out today
<br> working with a key/value db is a pain in the ass though
mike-burns: I haven't tried any of the new ones yet. Soon, soon.
ballen: at least when you're used to ActiveRecord easy'ness
<br> yea
mike-burns: I think I'd prefer transparent object persistence, if that were possible.
ballen: http://github.com/unilogic/scanty-redis/tree/master
<br> thats my fork of scanty
<br> if you ever wanted to play with redis
<br> added user auth
<br> and look and feel
mike-burns: Cool.
ballen: should fix the readme so people actually know how to make the first user
obsidieth: you dont have a network map do ya?
ballen: oh wha
<br> of*
obsidieth: peering points and borders ?
ballen: hmm
<br> nope
<br> http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/as-report?as=AS25795&v=4&view=2.0
<br> that should have some info
<br> ARP is AS25795 in BGP land
obsidieth: thanks, found what i needed.
<br> hopefully we can make this work :)
ballen: np, I'm sure you'll be able to figure out
-: up_the_irons swoops into the party
up_the_irons: hey all.. looks like i got some scrollback to read... :)
-: up_the_irons reads
ballen: heh yea
obsidieth: o
up_the_irons: i coulda told ya the %m/%d/%Y, it's the most common one ;) (at least for me in the US)
ballen: heh yea
up_the_irons: <u>obsidieth</u>: i should have a peer list and maybe even a looking glass, but I don't yet, hehe
obsidieth: its not that important:p
<br> payment method is whats concerning me at th moment
up_the_irons: we can work it out, i'm typing a reply to your email
obsidieth: ah ok:p i wouldnt have sent it
<br> oh well, forgot my timezones, thought you would have had more 'vacation' left
up_the_irons: still on vacation, but everyone is alseep except me :)
obsidieth: ah
up_the_irons: you in australia?
obsidieth: yep
<br> victorian.
up_the_irons: identity verification -- tell me the jellyfish found only on some beaches in Oz that can kill a human in 2 minutes... ;)
ballen: box jelly?
obsidieth: box ?
<br> :p
ballen: hah Discovery Channel FTW
up_the_irons: i couple of my friends are from australia, they live in the US now. one from Carns, one from Melbourne, they told me the jellyfish story...
<br> s/i/a/
<br> <u>ballen</u>: obsidieth: I believe you both got it right at the same time
obsidieth: we certainly have some nasty critters over here
<br> snakes especially
ballen: yea f that noise, not a fan of poisonous snakes
up_the_irons: and spiders, oh man the SPIDERS
-: up_the_irons <-- not a spider fan
up_the_irons: i was gonna visit Oz until my friend told me about the spiders
obsidieth: i am fairly afraid of spiders
up_the_irons: <u>obsidieth</u>: just sent a reply to your email btw
obsidieth: but in my time here ive only ever seen harmless ones.
<br> 10 4
up_the_irons: ah
<br> not the kind that are the size of a bowling ball? ;)
obsidieth: we get 'huntsmen' or somethin
<br> which look terrifying but dont hurt humans, they just eat flies
-: up_the_irons runs
obsidieth: http://www.spiderzrule.com/spiderphotos/huntsman241003.jpg :o
up_the_irons: <u>obsidieth</u>: what were you looking for in the cidr-report btw? just curious
obsidieth: nothing especially, i was talking to my buddy who works in a datacentre who said to check
up_the_irons: <u>obsidieth</u>: what's the scale on that bad boy?
<br> is it as huge as it looks? :)
obsidieth: probably as big as your palm
<br> or a bit less
up_the_irons: f that noise
<br> noooooooooooooo thanks
<br> ;)
<br> although given i just viewed it on my 15" T61 screen, if it was a 1:1 ratio, i'd be horrified
obsidieth: haha.
ballen: ugh I'd rather not run into one of those
obsidieth: they do creepy stuff
<br> like just hang out on your wall for half a day till you see them
-: up_the_irons gets chills
up_the_irons: that's just wrong
obsidieth: 6 month intervals should be fine
<br> i was hoping to try it for a month or something first, but i think this is viable
up_the_irons: so u see it in the corner of your eye, and then find out it has been there all day, guh
<br> <u>obsidieth</u>: i'm pretty sure you'll like it anyway, have got raving reviews about my FreeBSD VMs ;)
obsidieth: yeah im pretty sure as well.
up_the_irons: btw, you guys were talking earlier about pings to Australia being good. let me point out some new text on the website put up last week -- "Latency to Asia and Australia is especially good because we have peers that feed us direct routes to those regions."
<br> -- http://arpnetworks.com/vps
<br> :)
obsidieth: round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 187.766/188.537/189.798/0.610 ms
up_the_irons: cool
<br> i'm getting 191 ms avg to you
obsidieth: nice.
up_the_irons: is decrypted.org your domain? i like it
obsidieth: naw, afraid.org
up_the_irons: that one is pretty nice too
<br> have people offered to buy it? :)
obsidieth: i mean
<br> afraid.org is a freedns service.
<br> free account comes with 5 subdomains from a massive list that people have regged there, decrypted.org is one of them
up_the_irons: oh oh, i c
<br> cool
obsidieth: yeah its pretty handy, since my isp does free rdns i thought i might as well
up_the_irons: yeah, cool
obsidieth: ill hang around here, but its just a matter of getting 120$ together up front noww
up_the_irons: cool, just register at https://portal.arpnetworks.com when you're ready
obsidieth: will do
ballen: <u>up_the_irons</u>: did you get my order info and all that jazz
up_the_irons: <u>ballen</u>: yup, thanks
ballen: coolio
up_the_irons: <u>obsidieth</u>: nx
<br> *tnx
obsidieth: with say 20$ a month, is there room to change the specs around a little?
up_the_irons: <u>obsidieth</u>: yeah, what did you have in mind?
ballen: 4GB of RAM, 1GB of HD?
<br> ;-)
obsidieth: haha, thatl do
<br> when it says dedicated ips, does the 20$ a month just come with a single ip?
ballen: trading 19 GB for 3.25 ;-)
up_the_irons: <u>ballen</u>: LOL
<br> <u>obsidieth</u>: yeah, just 1 IP of IPv4, and a /48 of IPv6
<br> and you guys thought it was weird to get a whole /48 -- read RFC 3177 ("IAB/IESG Recommendations on IPv6 Address Allocations to Sites") and RFC 5375 ("IPv6 Unicast Address Assignment Considerations")
<br> :)
obsidieth: the package sounds pretty unbeatable, i just thought i would ask
<br> i have not purchased my own server before, i wanna get it right
ballen: yes I know /48 is std to get to a host
<br> give
<br> still is wierd
<br> what the hell do you need 65k addresses for