mercutio: yep, all fixed! was it just the same thing as with ipv4 earlier? the static route wasn't working right on the new router or something? acf_: it hit DAD for some reason for fe80::1 uh dupication address detection oh huh. that's really strange with a link local yeah well it was a shared lan but it was removed on other side. with the non link local it's much easier to mass ping the gateways to make sure they're good. yeah