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[01:22] <mercutio> brycec: sct04 will probably be soon, but hasn't been scheduled yet.  microcode patches were recalled, but they're not as good as the OS patches..
[01:22] <mercutio> there's many compound issues.  and ubuntu just had a security issue with one of their patches, i think for ubuntu 17.10?
[01:23] <mercutio> there's still nothing from openbsd and freebsd afaik
[01:23] <mercutio> (who only found out about it when we did)
[01:42] <brycec> Ah thanks for info mercutio
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[11:24] <mordac> mercutio: kvr09
[14:43] <mercutio> mordac: that was scheduled for the 26th, last friday
[14:43] <mercutio> so it shouldn't have gone done on monday
[14:44] <mercutio> and an email should have reached you.
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[16:55] <michael_p> hi
[16:55] <BryceBot> hi
[16:56] <michael_p> i am looking at mineing coins on a vps is that possable
[16:57] <mike-burns> What kind of resource usage are we talking? In short, do anything legal so long as it doesn't affect others on the same host.
[16:57] <michael_p> mike hell no
[16:57] <michael_p> not into that
[16:58] <michael_p> also i need windows
[16:59] <mike-burns> Not sure if Arp provides Windows out of the box, but the VPS can boot any ISO you give it.
[17:01] <mike-burns> http://support.arpnetworks.com/kb/dedicated-servers/iso-library
[17:05] <JC_Denton> i feel like you'd mine so few, it wouldn't be cost effective
[17:08] <michael_p> i have a few pools one is bitclub network i have to wait tonight see what the output is
[17:08] <michael_p> my time
[17:09] <michael_p> also i am look at adding more to hasflare
[17:15] <JC_Denton> it's your money
[17:17] <michael_p> i have two option vps or a dedicated
[17:19] <michael_p> jc what do you think
[17:19] <JC_Denton> a vps is a shared resource, a dedicated system is exactly that - dedicated
[17:21] <michael_p> i cant do it from home cause of the cost of electric
[17:22] <JC_Denton> i believe arp also does colo, if you have existing hardware
[17:28] <michael_p> i am looking at that
[17:29] <michael_p> i want to start small
[17:31] <michael_p> and build it up
[17:33] <mercutio> cpu mining isn't really profitable
[17:33] <JC_Denton> i'd do a little research first
[17:33] <JC_Denton> you're going to spend a lot more than you'll ever get out
[17:33] <mercutio> get a amd vegas or nvidia 10xx if you want high hash power for low watts
[17:34] <michael_p> iam looking at gpu
[17:34] <michael_p> i want get something de3cent that will mine every one
[17:34] <mercutio> if you get 6 amd vegas or something i think you can make semi-decent money
[17:34] <mercutio> ah go nvidia then
[17:34] <mercutio> maybe 6 1070tis?
[17:35] <michael_p> what about 6 760s
[17:35] <mercutio> nah 760 isn't power efficient
[17:35] <mercutio> even the 970s aren't good
[17:35] <michael_p> also price wise nvida or amd
[17:36] <mercutio> amd aren't good for many coins
[17:36] <mercutio> they're generally good for memory bandwidth ones
[17:36] <JC_Denton> i still enjoy my 2x980 Ti setup for games. eventually i'll do an upgrade, but the 980->1080 transition isn't that amazing/$
[17:36] <mercutio> for games 9xx is fine
[17:36] <michael_p> wait until the price comes down
[17:36] <mercutio> and games 1080ti is good, but for mining the 1070ti are better value
[17:36] <JC_Denton> i wish decent FPS 4k games were a reality
[17:36] <mercutio> basically cos of memory bandwith that deosn't matter so much in games
[17:36] <mercutio> err memory latency, even
[17:37] <mercutio> mining actually put video card cost way up
[17:37] <JC_Denton> i feel like 4K is at that point we were at 10-15 years ago where you needed the Maximum PC "dream machine" to push 4K at non-jittery frame rates
[17:37] <mercutio> prices are significantly higher now than they were 6 months ago even
[17:37] <mercutio> i have a nvidia 1070, and i find 1440p at 96hz fine
[17:38] <mercutio> but 1440p to 4k is quite the jump, and 4k at > 60 hz is another jump again
[17:38] <mercutio> i prefer 96 hz 1440p than 4k 60hz thoguh
[17:38] <mercutio> i reckon hdr will help games more than 4k
[17:40] <JC_Denton> i'm reasonably happy with 1080p ultra quality gaming
[17:41] <michael_p> the parts would need to be built there
[17:41] <mercutio> i do medium quality with 1440p
[17:41] <mercutio> michael: how much does power cost where you are?
[17:41] <mercutio> arp isn't in some magic place where power is cheap
[17:42] <JC_Denton> call me crazy, but i recently replayed the first Max Payne at 4K/ultra and loved it
[17:42] <michael_p> last bill 280.00 aud every 3 moths
[17:42] <mercutio> have you ever looked back at old games, and they look a lot worse than you remember?
[17:42] <mercutio> how much c/kwh though?
[17:42] <mercutio> australia is about 30c aud per kwh i think
[17:43] <mercutio> plus the air conditioning cost
[17:43] <JC_Denton> mercutio: dear god, yes. some are so ugly they're unplayable.
[17:43] <mercutio> JC_Denton: and yet they were fine at the time :)
[17:43] <JC_Denton> oh, yes
[17:43] <mercutio> actually sometimes games look better on crt too
[17:43] <JC_Denton> yet some, like Quake and Duke are still fun
[17:44] <mercutio> i always thought duek was ugly
[17:44] <mercutio> and i wasn't really fan of quake 1
[17:44] <mercutio> and quake 3 was always ugly
[17:44] <mercutio> quake 1 looked too sharp to me
[17:44] <mercutio> i prefered doom 2 graphics
[17:44] <mercutio> https://youtu.be/BmtkcNfjZFE
[17:44] <BryceBot> YouTube video: "Doom 2 (1994)" by Stormspirit 86
[17:44] <mercutio> so soft :)
[17:44] <BryceBot> That's what she said!!
[17:45] <mercutio> hmm it's rather angular, i thinmk it's just hte way the walls look diffuse
[17:46] <JC_Denton> quake 2 > quake 1 > quake 4 > quake 3
[17:46] <JC_Denton> imo
[17:47] <JC_Denton> i dunno, i liked duke more than quake
[17:47] <mercutio> i didn't know there was a quake 4
[17:47] <JC_Denton> and then ut99 > quake 3
[17:47] <mercutio> i liked blood better than duke
[17:52] <JC_Denton> heh
[17:52] <JC_Denton> blood was fun
[17:52] <JC_Denton> i can't find my copy for the life of me
[17:52] <JC_Denton> i think it's still on GOG, though
[17:52] <mercutio> i used to play blood on modem a lot
[17:53] <mercutio> playing with init strings to disable compression, eerror correction, and connect at 9600 bps iirc
[17:53] <JC_Denton> original starcraft and wc ii over dialup ftw
[17:53] <mercutio> hah i played original starcraft on this ipx internet thingy
[17:53] <mercutio> had to play in evening when ping was lower ;)
[17:54] <mercutio> oh actually maybe it was sc2
[17:54] <mercutio> wc2
[18:28] <michael_p> dose your servers are they gpu based
[19:02] <michael_p> i may get a vds
[19:03] <michael_p> as long i can fine someone to set it up
[19:10] <mike-burns> Unrelated to VPSes (I can highly recommend Arp) but related to mining: it's not a get-rich-quick scheme.
[19:10] <mike-burns> I hope you're doing this because you enjoy playing with the technology.
[19:38] <michael_p> i am not into get rich schemes
[19:38] <michael_p> just enough to pay off the vps and some from myself
[19:39] <mike-burns> Well. Good luck.
[19:41] <michael_p> mike are you good at setting up
[19:42] <mike-burns> I am not going to help you lose money on mining coins, if that's what you're asking.
[19:43] <michael_p> what is fi went dedicated
[19:43] <staticsafe> you probably wouldn't break even
[19:43] <BryceBot> That's what she said!!
[19:43] <staticsafe> just saying
[19:43] <mike-burns> Right.
[19:44] <michael_p> any ideas then
[19:45] <staticsafe> ideas for what?
[19:45] <michael_p> minining coins
[19:45] <mike-burns> If you enjoy the idea of the blockchain, the underlying proof-of-work (or alternative) technologies, exploring the privacy concerns and theories behind e.g. zerocoin, hashing functions -- then mining coins might be right for you.
[19:45] <mike-burns> If you enjoy making money, this isn't it.
[19:47] <staticsafe> yeah go ask a financial advisor about investing into something more stable
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[20:55] <JC_Denton> it really annoys the hell out of me how many people think they can "make it big" off of bitcoin and the like
[20:55] <JC_Denton> ~10 years ago, different story. today, heh, not so much.
[21:12] <mike-burns> Right totally -- those who will make it big already have, and the rest of us won't, and that's OK.
[21:56] <mercutio> i made money starting midway last year mike-burns.
[21:56] <mike-burns> Big money?
[21:56] <mercutio> of course now bitcoin is worth 10 or 11k instead of 20k
[21:56] <mercutio> not really, .. but more than i expected to
[21:57] <mercutio> last year bitcoin went up in value quite a lot...
[21:57] <mike-burns> I made BTC money last week, but not enough to quit my job.
[21:57] <mercutio> yeah it's not enough to quite my job, but more than enough to pay for power
[21:57] <mercutio> much more useful in winter though :)
[21:57] <mercutio> but i would have made better money buying bitcoin than mining :)
[21:58] <mike-burns> Definitely.
[21:58] <BryceBot> That's what she said!!
[21:58] <mike-burns> I'll stand by my point: those who will make it big already have.
[21:58] <mercutio> i was just surprised how much my r9 290 could make.  and i caught the mining bug from there..
[21:59] <mercutio> i thikn trading can make more money than mining
[21:59] <mercutio> especially daytrading, if you had a large enough investment.
[21:59] <mike-burns> Right -- it's a barely-regulated asset. Treat it like stocks.
[21:59] <mercutio> although the market is kind of down atm which makes it harder to daytrade
[21:59] <mike-burns> I buy in January and sell in December.
[22:00] <mercutio> good idea
[23:52] <erratic> adopt a paige today
[23:52] <erratic> mercutio: I was mining some keccak 256 ethereum hashlets on my r9 390
[23:52] <erratic> and I overclocked it a little
[23:53] <erratic> it was doing pretty good
[23:53] <erratic> I donno about a huge investment though
[23:53] <erratic> just a fun thing to play with
[23:53] <erratic> mercutio: you've seen this kinda stuff right https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAAK96GT3081&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC-_-pla-_-Cases+%28Computer+Cases+-+ATX+Form%29-_-9SIAAK96GT3081&gclid=CjwKCAiA47DTBRAUEiwA4luU2cCXiMzd8X-v0LFIEDwN8iGH2Xeju2VqR3XvDxL3_bBWJO4m-KedVRoCzkoQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
[23:54] <erratic> wait you're a day trader sorry my adhd
[23:54] <erratic> of course you have
[23:54] <erratic> meowlz