damn. was hoping for something like baremetal but without hard disks inside or something and iscsi looking to run proxmox/esxi So netboot+external storage? I mean, you can technically do that with your baremetal, though you wouldn't get clear access to the Ceph-backed storage (you'd have a VPS for serving netboot files on your VLAN and storage access... somehow, perhaps NFS or something) I personally moved to a Thunder instance because I like the storage abstraction - it's no longer "a hard disk" (or pair) like I have in my Metal, but something more reliable. hazardous: proxmox runs great on the Thunder instances brycec: I like the storage abstraction too; and like when a disk fails, it's not us sitting on pins and needles until it is replaced and a RAID is rebuilt. We can replace the disk in a timely manner and breath easy throughout. anyone have experience with Icinga? Good? Bad? What's better? Specifically, I'd like to find something that hooks into Grafana, to graph historical performance, and Icinga has a dashboard for Grafana to do that (but I'm not sure if something even better is out there) It's definitely better than nagios and it has a turing-complete config language (there's a hangman game included!) ziprecruiter uses it... and I was thinking about moving Neil to it as well, until Rob convinced him that AWS already has everything they need. there are quite a few monitors out there now though. RandalSchwartz: ah OK