[02:53] *** mjp_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [07:57] *** Lucifer333 has joined #arpnetworks [11:01] *** raptelan has joined #arpnetworks [11:02] hello, about to install a custom O/S on a VPS originally configured for Debian 8 - anything I should be aware of or that would need set differently for different guest O/S's? [11:06] Nothing in general. Which OS are you installing? (Or do you mean "custom" as in you wrote it yourself?) [11:28] gentoo [11:28] maybe netbsd later [11:28] at some point, the VPS's would have different "hardware" configurations for different guests [11:37] they should all work with the same config [11:37] netbsd should work with virtio [11:37] which would be the main thing that may not work with an obscure OS. [11:37] but netbsd supporting being a xen domu, means it's very likely to support virtio [11:42] what's the deal with /dev/vda vs /dev/sda? [11:42] vda is virtio, sda is legacy [11:42] oh [11:42] actually [11:42] ok so ultimately I should figure out how to switch to vda [11:42] some of the newer virtual machines are using virtio-scsi too [11:42] which also show as sda [11:42] I think mine has virtio-scsi but shows as vda in debian 8 [11:43] virtio-scsi is the hdd boot option [11:43] hmm [11:43] disk shows up as sda when booted off gentoo installation media [11:43] there's virtio-blk, and virtio-scsi to be confusing [11:43] ok [11:43] that's even stranger. [11:43] just want to configure things as optimally as possible [11:44] so yeh probably is virtio-scsi, and maybe the naming scheme changed and debian has ancient kernel. [11:44] the name itself shouldn't matter. [11:45] MBR partition table [11:46] I'm guessing there's no EFI... [11:49] yeah [11:59] bummer...ish [11:59] why did you want EFI? [11:59] the question is - why would I want BIOS? [12:00] it is simpler [12:00] it's just a more modern setup. bit of a pain though. [12:00] EFI can be useful on desktops [12:00] and laptops [12:00] but for virtual machines the benefits aren't really there [12:00] it's not for gain but consistency. [12:01] since that's the way everything is going [12:01] no worries [12:01] well KVM has some recent EFI support [12:01] i don't think it's enabled by default [12:01] and is likely to have less testing [12:53] *** raptelan_ has joined #arpnetworks [12:54] *** raptelan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [13:39] *** raptelan_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [13:55] *** raptelan has joined #arpnetworks [14:34] *** raptelan has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) [15:23] Things are back to "sda" with virtio-scsi. Confusing, yes. [15:23] 37 minutes till the leap second [15:23] That's what she said!! [15:23] BryceBot: me, or up_the_irons [15:23] BryceBot: no [15:23] Oh, okay... I'm sorry. '37 minutes till the leap second' [15:24] I win [15:24] Haha [15:24] 😂 [15:24] Do emojis work here... [15:25] unicode ones may? [15:26] ☠ [15:28] 😂 [15:28] it seems it may depend.. [15:28] I can see them on my phone [15:29] weechat-android [15:29] i could see that last one in putty but not with urxvt [15:29] Pretty sure won't show up on my laptop [15:30] oh [15:30] they look much better on android-weechat [15:30] they're different colours and bigger [15:31] Channel announcement: there's a new "Add Service" button in the Portal and blank VMs can be ordered on-demand (ones with an OS are coming soon) [15:31] Yeah weechat-android is pretty cool [15:32] how do you type the emoji on weechat-android? [15:33] 😎 [15:35] depends which keyboard.. [15:36] I just do it with the regular keyboard [15:37] Personally I use the Google keyboard [15:37] Which in just the last update went to shit [15:37] my keyboard seems to vary [15:38] It wants to mix the EN and DE keyboards now, and prediction is now all fucked. It guesses German words when I mean English and vice versa [15:38] Like why the fuck can't I turn that off [15:38] i'm normally using samsung keyboard [15:38] which isn't ideal [15:39] hmm samsung's prediction is bad too [15:39] the initial swype one i used was better [15:39] Google *was* good [15:39] 😑 [15:42] it'd be kind of cool to have graphics support in terminals [15:43] still the terminal and remote thing, but being able to do things like show those emoji's :) [15:43] some kind of way to do real graphics wuold be even better [15:44] I use Swiftkey Keyboard [15:44] only one language though so predictions are good [15:44] and it learns from your gmail, SMS etc [15:44] I was just looking into Swiftkey [15:45] 👑👒🎩👖👕👔⌚👟👞👓💄🎓🔰⛑️ [15:45] 📒📔📚📙🔮🔦🔋🔌📜📗📓📑🎄🎃📛📰📖📖 [15:45] should probably stop before I go overboard [15:47] anyknow know if there is an equivalent weechat-android app for iphone? [15:47] oh that may have been what i used before i think [15:47] I like all the emojis [15:47] i can't see those ones [15:47] I can see them all perfectly on Android [15:48] i can't see any of those ones in linux [15:48] I bet they'll all break when I check my terminal too [15:48] That's what she said!! [15:48] they do indeed all show on my phone [15:48] the skull and cross bones works on pc though [15:51] I think it's an older one [15:52] apparently os x terminal supports coloured emoji [15:53] less than 10 minutes to the leap second! [15:53] I wonder how NTP handles that [15:53] clocks are a second off all of the time [15:53] i don't think it'll be any big deal [15:53] * up_the_irons agrees [15:54] the problem is having a minute with 61 seconds in it :) [15:54] anyone smearing this year? [15:54] not i [15:54] smearing is a stupid idea [15:54] smearing would mean I don't have to sit here on my laptop and babysit this... [15:55] happy 2017 gizmo [15:55] you too mercutio [15:55] hey you nznogging this year? [15:55] 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 [15:55] wasn't planning to,. but who knows, where is it? [15:55] tauranga [15:55] hmm [15:55] I'm teaching a tutorial and providing the internet [15:56] well providing the l2/l3 infra [15:56] vibe are giving me bandwidth [15:56] i've never been to tauranga [15:56] google and facebook are smearing [15:56] and an ASN /22 /48 [15:56] no cgnat? :) [15:56] Nice [15:56] NAT64 and DNS64 though! [15:56] going to do an ipv6 only network [15:56] how much bandwidth are you getting? [15:57] only 1gbit [15:57] all done through Openvswitch+DPDK+linux+openflow too [15:57] ahh i thought vibe might be trying to show off [15:57] IPv6 only +++ [15:57] and i have allied-tellesis sponsoring openflow switches [15:57] to have a physical network too [15:58] 2 mins [15:58] till the end of the world [15:58] nice [15:58] 😂😂😂 [15:58] y2k nothing happened [15:58] yeah 'cause people prepared for y2k@ [15:58] many things happened on y2k [15:58] I ignored leap second this year [15:58] is anything exciting happening at nznog this year? [15:58] need to read RISKS some time [15:58] just assumed our devs are smart enough to make our software survive it [15:58] talked about a lot of the breakage [15:58] mercutio: SDN SDN SDN [15:59] got 2 guys from google this year [15:59] most amusing was something that broke on jan 1 2001, because they hacked something for 2000 [15:59] hmm [15:59] i'm surprised i didn't hear about nznog earlier [15:59] won't it be in jan? [16:00] hmm there's a post from june saying it's jan 23 to jan 27 [16:00] [2410311.468298] Clock: inserting leap second 23:59:60 UTC [16:00] there was something on fb too [16:01] woo hoo! [16:02] hmm buuntu says that and arch doesn't [16:02] my VM is still up [16:02] Ceph monitors still happy [16:04] I wonder when ntp will notice it's a second behind [16:04] Dec 31 18:05:19 x220 ntpd[20569]: adjusting clock frequency by 0.494154 to 5.917 [16:04] 858ppm [16:04] there's my answer [16:05] you don't have a leap second aware ntpd? [16:05] no [16:05] that must get awkward [16:06] I tried recording telephone time but apparently other people had the same idea [16:10] LOL [16:15] mercutio: I can only see your skull emoji in Linux; nothing else shows up [18:20] brycec: anything up with zeit right now? I'm getting clock skew warnings in Ceph, which use zeit [18:20] i've sync'd with other servers, but doesn't seem to help [18:25] ...and now it's fixed (itself) [19:37] *** Lucifer333 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [19:53] *** Lucifer333 has joined #arpnetworks [20:04] up_the_irons: perhaps related to the leap second at 0:00 UTC [20:04] Ceph needs accurate time correct to within 50 msec correct? [20:05] yeah most likely