#arpnetworks/ 2016-10-05,Wed

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awyeahBTW, loving the Trello board. [07:55]
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up_the_ironsawyeah: we're finding it awesome as well. I have several other boards for things internal to my life. Great way to organize.
Several cards were stuck at "2" votes (all tied) for a while. Then I put a link to the board on the Portal dashboard, and finally more votes came in and we have a clear winner on the next feature ("Portal: Automatic creation of new VMs")
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mercutiohmm who of those people in here [13:57]
hmm, freebsd 11 is meant to come out again today. i wonder if it'll make it this time [14:02]
sjacksoeither it'll come out, or there will be some more crazy openssl patches that suddenly appear
or maybe both!
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mercutiothey oughta shift to libressl
it's been pushed back twice
not sure what the other reason was
this time i'd guess the reason for delay would be mirrors not being up to date
(given that it doesn't seem to be on mirrors yet)
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up_the_ironsthis seems impractical but awesome at the same time: http://www.supermicro.com.tw/products/system/4U/6048/SSG-6048R-E1CR90L.cfm [14:15]
sjacksoThat weighs more than me [14:17]
mercutioi find even 20kg servers can feel heavy [14:21]
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mercutiomercutio is heavier than net weight, but less than gross weight
you can probably reduce weight a bit by taking disks out
up_the_irons: how strong are you feeling to rack it? :)
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brycecAnd that's when you call for a rack lift [14:53]
mercutioheh
that's cheating
but yeah, not really practical
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http://gizmodo.com/galaxy-note-7-explodes-during-boarding-of-a-southwest-f-1787447287?utm_campaign=socialflow_lifehacker_facebook&utm_source=lifehacker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
damn, samsung are really struggling here...
so apparently the new galaxy note 7s are bad too
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sjacksoI was flying last week and they kept making PA announcements about note 7s on the plane PAs before takeoff [15:33]
mercutioi would have liked a note 7 before the issues
too expensive for me though :)
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sjacksomade me realize how bad the situation was for them [15:34]
mercutiowell it seems that problems are happening pretty frequently [15:34]
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up_the_ironsmercutio: not very strong; toeshred does most of our racking. He's stronger than me . ;) [16:57]
mercutioyeah probably want rack lift then [16:57]
apparently freebsd is getting delayed again [17:11]
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mjp_all the good stuff is in 12.0 anyway ;)
i.e intel accelerated graphics for any pc made in the last few years heh
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mercutioheh, linux is far ahead for intel video
i'm getting really sick of ati support on linux
even my r9 290 is slow in linux for desktop use
and radeon 7750 is really slow at 4k
r9 290 and radeon 7750 are similar speed in linux for 2d actually
radeon 7750 is probably similar speed to onboard video
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mjp_FreeBSD should be in sync with Linux for intel graphics now [17:45]
mercutiowith freebsd 12?
there's some exciting stuff coming from intel
and ati are kind of abandoning r9 290 and earlier it seems
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mjp_well -CURRENT or whatever branch they are working on
https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-x11/2016-August/017840.html
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mercutiolike they've got a new driver for r9 285 and newer
which is like one newer than r9 290
and they're just adding legacy support for r9 290 etc, (that generation i think) but without accel
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mjp_ati have been promising good drivers for years now [17:47]
mercutiotheir open source drivers used to be better than the nvidia drivers
and ati cards fell under out customs limits
when nvidia didn't
gtx 970 probably is ok to buy now
but is only similar speed to r9 290 i think
and for fanless cards there are so few options
radeon 7750 is the fastest fanless card around last i knew. gddr5, multihead support etc
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mjp_my laptop (12 months old) has a gtx970M and it cant run with accelerated intel or nvidia graphics [17:49]
mercutiowith what OS? [17:49]
mjp_freebsd doesnt properly support intel or nvidia optimus [17:49]
mercutioahh with freebsd
there really needs to be more separation
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mjp_FreBSD, i tried to get it working but its such a pain in the ass and im not running some github branch of freebsd or pc-bsd [17:50]
mercutioso that the kernel stuff is seprarate from the normal core, and the normal core can be cross platform
yeah
just use arch linux :)
everything is current
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mjp_arch feels so hacky.. and its breaks lots [17:50]
mercutioi haven't had breakage in years
i've had more breakage with ubuntu than any other os haha
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mjp_i can wait ~6months for a stable version of whatever package they're shipping [17:51]
mercutiowhy does ubuntu have a default where if you reboot part way through the bootup it'll get stuck on the boot menu
i've had the most stability with openbsd of any OS :)
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mjp_depends if you also want functionality [17:53]
mercutioheh [17:53]
mjp_ms-dos 6.22 was pretty stable too [17:53]
mercutioi didn't find dos stable
one application could kill the whole system
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mjp_so no different than today then? [17:53]
mercutioi found os/2 stable though
but then i was using desqview on DOS :)
i actually have no idea what dos version i used
heh, X is pretty bad like that
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up_the_ironsoh desqview [17:55]
mercutiodesqview and qemm [17:55]
up_the_ironsbrings back memories
yup
and BBS' and doors
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mercutioand trying to get as much conventional memory as possible
and finding alternative tsr's to reduce memory
heh, yeah moving my bbs to os/2 was awesome
i could use a debugger
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up_the_ironshaha yeah [17:58]
mercutioit used to be that if you pressed ctrl-break in turbo pascal it would crash the pc [17:58]
BryceBotThat's what she said!! [17:58]
up_the_ironshahaha [18:03]
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