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I find it interesting that this channel had, at its peak, about 70-80 users; it dropped down many years ago to like 50-60, but has always held strong after that. [17:04] i left and came back when there was a network issue and never left [17:04] maybe we need more network issues :) [17:05] i joined #linode for a while when they had network issues, and i wasn't even a user. i was just curious to see how it panned out :) [17:05] (they didn't handle it well) [17:10] hahaha [17:11] there's always more people in here when there's a DDoS ;) [17:55] after being with arp, I've been finding myself wishing more tech vendors had a chill irc hangout with knowledgeable people around [18:01] but, I suppose it does not work at scale [18:05] I think more companies could do it [18:05] but they just don't [18:05] They could even try Slack [18:05] which is probably more acceptable to non-old-schoolers [18:05] We tried it and the people in the channel demanded Slack. [18:06] But the Venn diagram of (people at my company who were interested in maintaining a public chatroom) and (people at my company who were interested in yet another Slack channel) was the empty set. [18:07] heh [18:08] we slack at my shop too, and it's fine for work, but I still like irc best for general idling and breeze-shooting [18:09] Slack has too much of an upfront cost. [18:10] plus, the day that Slack goes completely down is the day that the internet comes to a grinding halt -- except for us neckbeards on irc ;) [18:10] well until Freenode netsplits [18:10] :P [18:12] haha [18:13] they're talking about slack here [18:13] they tell us it'll help the team communicate [18:14] i've noticed more and more web sites with online chat [18:14] https://twitter.com/courtneynash/status/778945495662202880 [18:14] TWITTER: "Switching from Hipchat to Slack and Docker Docker Docker will not fix your culture." @beerops at #velocityconf https://t.co/TUQMecY5gQ (Thu Sep 22 13:14:12 +0000 2016, retweeted 172 times) [18:14] 1 on 1 [18:14] but yeah group chat would be nice [18:15] i think slack is good too [18:16] We switched from Campfire to Slack. I like the ability to talk with a group, but see not value/get frustrated with the direct messages in Slack. It's not what I want in a company chat tool. [18:16] i reckon slack is more sensible for companies just wanting group chat rooms [18:16] but i'd rather something open source and self-run [18:16] triple docker? [18:16] how expensive is slack? [18:16] i use dm [18:16] https://grove.io/ - I've never tried this but it seems to be a thing. [18:17] also I hear the Slack desktop clients tend to eat up a lot of RAM [18:17] Oh, yeah. It's just a Web browser. [18:17] but here we've got a small enough group that we can just talk [18:18] like with voices and ears [18:18] No one works from home? [18:18] nope [18:18] Nice setup. [18:19] I can't imagine having to _pay attention_ to slack all day [18:20] with irc I can just close it and if somebody tries to talk to me maybe I'll see it later or maybe they'll try again later if it was important... [18:21] staticsafe: 32gb of ram is cheap now :) [18:22] heh, my windows box is using 24.3gb/31.9gb of ram [18:22] heaps of free ram still :) [18:23] but yeah everything use heaps of ram these days [18:23] yes but not everything has a tendency to leak memory [18:23] that is the problem with Slack afaik [18:23] what's the difference in the end [18:23] it gets bloated [18:23] i dunno if chrome uses memory or leaks [18:23] but it uses a LOT of memory [18:24] even 16gb of ram for laptop is only $64 US on amazon [18:26] irssi uses 11MB [18:26] which actually seems a bit high [18:26] i bet weechat uses more [18:26] yeah [18:26] 254480 virtual, 38652 resident [18:27] even grep on ps is using 1mb [18:27] 16MB for me, if I'm reading top correctly. Which I'm probably not. [18:27] hah, so the sleep command on linux now takes 704kb of ram [18:27] I read the RES column in top [18:28] mike-burns: virtual first, then resident [18:28] 16MB is RES. [18:28] ejabbberd is using 46mb of ram [18:29] tmux is only using 3mb of ram [18:29] it does seem things got crazy with memory usage. but actually they've been bad for over 15 years [18:29] nsd at 30MB-ish, weechat at 16MB, nginx at 13MB, then mutt at 2MB. [18:29] tinydns at 1192kb [18:30] one of my mutts is using like 260mb [18:30] 281488.. [19:23] *** mkb has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [19:24] *** mkb has joined #arpnetworks [19:24] if you are running openbsd 6.0 on arp do not under any circumstances type pctr at the prompt [19:25] though admittedly the manpage says [19:25] It is strongly advised to look through the manual for a particular [19:25] processor before programming a counter and interpreting the results. [19:25] on the other hand I wasn't even root [19:26] did it reboot? [19:26] i have to try it now ;) [19:27] tsc = 3698585147644942 [19:27] did you set something with it? [19:28] no I just typed it to see what it would do [19:28] ahh ok [19:28] yeh it may depend on which host you're on [19:28] apparently [19:29] although warning people is kind of like having a BIG RED BUTTON SAYING DON'T PUSH ME [19:29] yep