I lose the idle game again nathani: sure has been quiet lately up_the_irons: btw, changing ISOs while the VM is running seems to have no effect, not even on the next "power cycle" ... I accidentally installed the wrong debian version as a result ;-) fIorz_: what version did you want? that'll be a bug if it's not working on our DE node it looks like "debian-7.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso" is mounted currently yeah, I am now reinstalling when shut down, it works just fine hmm it shouldn't be that way but OK, if you got what you need now, that's good possibly some interaction with CD drive locking or something? not sure, it works fine with other hosts (but a hard reboot is required) I might have switched while in the installer, which sooner or later (at least when mounting the CD) would lock the drive on real hardware but the next power off/boot apparently got me back to the same installer, and I didn't realize that the same background image might indicate something hadn't quite worked ;-) but yeah, no urgent problem for me, but a note could have saved me some time (or a fix, if it's a bug ...) it's a bug, so i'm going to look into it now the real question is if fIorz_ would have said anything had I not lost the IRC idle game :-) *g* fIorz_: I found the source of the bug and implemented a fix; it works on some of my test VMs. Let me know if you have any further problems. up_the_irons: sure, so far everything seems to be working fine, reverse delegation is also functional now ... were there any beta VMs going around? or did I miss out Anyone that can help with a (probably simple) Debian upgrade question? I can try... brycec: I think I answered my own question after a fashion. Had never done a Debian upgrade before and it was quite different from what I expected. Things are mostly working now, but having problems getting postgresql to start -- there's an init file missing it seems. Anyhow, thanks for the offer.