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| mike-burns | So the Netflex problem is actually a problem with the movie industry itself? | [00:10] |
| JC_Denton | arguably
but why does Netflix cave when, say, Prime Video doesn't care? less clout or simply not enabled yet? | [00:15] |
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| hazardous | more content, more contracts probably | [00:48] |
| mercutio | what's the netflix problem? | [00:48] |
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| pyvpx | netflix has to show reasonable due diligence in ensuring end users are viewing content licensed for the region they're actually in.
no more germans watching the US catalog. etc. | [04:09] |
| mercutio | netflix used to allow going across the world in seconds
i can teleport! i tried region stuff with netflix a while ago, but there still wasn't enough good content to make it seem useful | [04:10] |
| pyvpx | yeah. someone did a comparison of the regional catalogs and it's painfully obvious by the numbers the US one is far and above most desirable to users
iirc portugal has like, 2000 titles. or maybe less. | [04:12] |
| mercutio | i'm not in the US | [04:12] |
| pyvpx | pyvpx is not either
also not a netflix customer | [04:12] |
| mercutio | but I tried US, and UK
i did the two months free thing or soemthing the first time around i didn't get around to canceling i actually haven't watched anything good on tv in ages | [04:12] |
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| JC_Denton | they started blocking HE's v6 space
not just the 6to4 stuff either, it seems they blocked the whole /32 "evil proxy" the usual ignorant phone reps, "what's v6?" | [08:11] |
| mkb | I know someone who complained to HE about this
they gave him a backdoor e-mail address at netflix to complain to and that's all I've heard so far | [08:19] |
| JC_Denton | yeah, that address got posted to NANOG
i'll let other people, more angry than i, do some of the initial drilling ;-) i thinking blocking a whole ISP's v6 network and then saying proudly, "we support IPv6 now" is hypocritical | [08:30] |
| mkb | wait it's not a cogent problem is it? | [08:32] |
| JC_Denton | no
Netflix is deliberately blocking HE's v6 network as a "proxy" or a "country unblocker" presumably because people are using it to bypass geo restrictions | [08:33] |
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| brycec | Damn. I had no idea, but just tried and yep I'm blocked from streaming... sonofabitch. | [08:51] |
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| brycec | Feels wrong having to null-route just to make it work | [08:55] |
| mkb | this must apply to tunneling through ARP too...
that's HE transit right? | [08:57] |
| brycec | Actually, as of right now, traceroute to netflix is going over NTT
ARP does have HE transit, but that doesn't mean it's in use. And more pertinent, Netflix is blocking HE's /32, so as long as your v6 address isn't an HE address... | [08:59] |
| mkb | ah | [09:00] |
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| JC_Denton | i'm surprised HE isn't on the horn with them | [09:29] |
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| mnathani | I would think that using ARP to get to Netflix would also trigger the vpn / proxy alert as it isnt an Eyeball network | [10:10] |
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| JC_Denton | eyeball?
happy eyes? | [10:30] |
| brycec | A network that serves end-users, as opposed to transit and colos
eyeball networks are typically residential (or business) ISPs like Kabletown. | [10:32] |
| sjackso | whose job is it to label a network as eyeball or blind? | [10:34] |
| JC_Denton | ah
i had never heard that distinction | [10:40] |
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| sjackso | Hey so if you suspend irssi with ^Z instead of detaching from tmux it turns out you get disconnected. Who knew? | [14:19] |
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| mnathani | sjackso: have you tried weechat? | [14:36] |
| sjackso | never have | [14:37] |
| mnathani | it does a lot of things out of the box which irssi requires plugins
and customization | [14:38] |
| sjackso | Should try it some day | [14:42] |
| mnathani | 741 users in #weechat vs 523 in #irssi, just saying :-) | [14:47] |
| meingtsla | Hallow. | [14:50] |
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| sjackso | I would be more excited about a featureful CLI email client that isn't ancient and crufty | [15:15] |
| mike-burns | Someone is collecting mutt patches into a thing he's calling neomutt. | [15:16] |
| sjackso | oy. | [15:16] |
| hazardous | can i suggest Outlook Express running in wine | [15:27] |
| meingtsla | :) | [15:27] |
| hazardous | i'm acutally curious about a decent slightly user friendly desktop client for windows/mac that i can recommend to friends that supports pgp and stuff
everything that does that is incredibly convoluted and about as user friendly as running into a spiked wall repeatedly | [15:27] |
| mike-burns | Mail.app | [15:27] |
| mnathani | how about thunderbird? | [15:40] |
| up_the_irons | brycec: mnathani JC_Denton mkb : I think there was actually an issue with Netflix and us in the past. Something like someone complaining they couldn't watch Netflix through our IPs. I was like, "meh" | [15:53] |
| staticsafe | that is entirely out of your support scope heh | [15:55] |
| up_the_irons | yeah | [15:57] |
| mnathani | I am pretty sure premium vpns will start popping up. More expensive and lease out a dedicated IP from an eyeball network range per Premium VPN client. | [16:06] |
| up_the_irons | yeah | [16:10] |
| mercutio | mnathani: i wanted to start a premium vpn at one point ...
but then i realised that people only care about bittorrent, watching movies etc there's lots of times when a good vpn could be useful, like being stuck using a bad provider | [16:21] |
| mnathani | sad, but true | [16:23] |
| mercutio | it's more likely that people will just switch around ip blocks a lot to get around it i think | [16:23] |
| mnathani | long nanog discussion on this ip/location/netflix/vpn issue | [16:24] |
| mercutio | i mostly just waanted a vpn thaht would do transparent tcp proxying etc | [16:24] |
| mnathani | is that similar to a SOCKS proxy?
what do you think of services like privateinternetaccess? | [16:24] |
| mercutio | yeh
but you'd use normal vpn client and not need socks support | [16:27] |
| mnathani | ah
ok | [16:27] |
| mercutio | it wouldn't do anything smarter than just transparently relaying
but it means if you have packet loss etc it'll perform better | [16:28] |
| mnathani | would it be to get to any destination?
or would that be fixed stupid question - never mind | [16:28] |
| mercutio | well i did a proxy server a while ago that could relay some destinations automatically to other countries | [16:30] |
| mnathani | it will terminate a tcp session from you the client to itself, then establish a new tcp connection to the destination, correct? | [16:30] |
| mercutio | and it worked on hulu
and bbc iplayer but netflix costs money :) the aim was more about performance than geoip restrictions yeh, it's terminate, and establish | [16:30] |
| mnathani | what happens to udp traffic? | [16:31] |
| mercutio | udp would go through normally | [16:31] |
| mnathani | could ports be opened on the proxy and NATTed to the client? | [16:33] |
| mercutio | it wouldn't need to be natted
you can do incoming tcp transparent acceleration too you can give the user a real ip, then intercept traffic in the middle or give them private ip if they don't want incoming connections | [16:33] |
| mnathani | say you are downloading a file, and the proxy has a faster connection than the client, will it slow down to the speed of the slowest link, or keep transferring into some sort of buffer? | [16:40] |
| mercutio | slowest link, and buffer
the proxy should normally have faster connection than client but some tcp implementations are better than others at getting max speed to the client | [16:41] |
| mnathani | up_the_irons: I bought my first lens (other than the kit lens) - a Canon f/1.8 50mm fixed lens and am loving the results so far | [16:46] |
| mercutio | especially with packet loss, older implementations tend to end up having bigger delays | [16:46] |
| up_the_irons | mnathani: 50mm at f/1.8 is my favorite lens :) | [16:47] |
| mnathani | http://imgur.com/hnqcKZN | [16:48] |
| up_the_irons | that has nice bokeh | [16:49] |
| mnathani | http://imgur.com/MZutHga | [16:49] |
| up_the_irons | very nice | [16:50] |
| mnathani | http://imgur.com/PHX0Laa
I think you suggested it months ago the 50mm fixed lens | [16:50] |
| mercutio | and there i go thinking that my new cellphone camera looks much better than my old one :) | [16:51] |
| up_the_irons | i may have... or it was the kickstarter for the 50mm that they bringing back | [16:51] |
| mnathani | another: http://imgur.com/2JDre8m
up_the_irons: thanks | [17:02] |
| staticsafe | what camera do you have mnathani? | [17:09] |
| mnathani | Canon Rebel T5 | [17:13] |
| up_the_irons | is that full frame? | [17:15] |
| mnathani | I dont think so
its a lower end camera Sensor size: APS-C / (22.3mm x 14.9mm) | [17:21] |
| up_the_irons | ok not full frame
so you're doing like 85mm | [17:22] |
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| mnathani | damn, 32 new messages in that Netflix thread on Nanog after I last checked it just 3 hours ago | [18:12] |
| mercutio | heh my nanog isn't open for some reason | [18:12] |
| mnathani | still using mutt for email? | [18:12] |
| mercutio | yeh | [18:12] |
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| mnathani | http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2016-June/086153.html
interesting response | [18:31] |
| mhoran | Indeed. | [18:35] |
| mercutio | you know for detecting location latency is often a better measure
and if you have a laggy connection you'll struggle to watch netflix anyway | [18:44] |
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| mnathani | they probably have a global presence and also ISPs that host those Netflix boxes within their network | [19:07] |
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| https://twitter.com/mnathani/status/738959068816019456 | [22:02] | |
| BryceBot | TWITTER: R.I.P Muhammad Ali (1942-2016) (Sat Jun 04 05:02:25 +0000 2016) | [22:02] |
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