[00:39] can anyone recommend decent secondary DNS providers that provide NTFY support? [01:06] JC_Denton: NTFY, as in Notify? [01:07] the only decent one is doing it yourself :) [01:08] *** erratic has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [01:22] *** erratic has joined #arpnetworks [03:05] *** algero has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [06:56] andol: yeah [07:50] JC_Denton: At work we are happy with dyn.com. Well, we are using them as Primary, but they do Secondary as well, supporting both Notify and TSIG. [07:51] yeah, they're a bit pricey :( [07:51] for just secondary, imo [07:52] https://www.easydns.com/ aren't that bad either. [07:58] JC_Denton: dnsmadeeasy? [08:01] I've only used them as primary - their UI is clunky, but didn't have any issues otherwise [08:19] I'm using he.com as my secondary. They're pretty reliable. :) [12:46] *** algero has joined #arpnetworks [13:15] RandalSchwartz: as its own service? [13:15] BuddyNS, who i've been using, has fell off the earth it seems. their systems aren't doing XFRs anymore and their support address's MX is refusing connections. [13:23] if the domain is registered at gandi, they will provide a secondary [13:40] JC_Denton: freedns.afraid.org and dns.he.net both support being secondary DNS and receiving notifications [13:41] (And I've used both as secondaries) [13:50] brycec: any opinion on one or the other? [14:03] Not really. If pressed, I'd say HE because they're a "real network provider" (i.e. doing all kinds of network things for business), but I was recently burned by an extended outage they had a few weeks back and have since moved most of my DNS (they were primary for most of my stuff) elsewhere. [14:38] brycec: HE had an extended outage? [14:41] And I griped about it! [14:41] That's what she said!! [14:41] back in March [14:43] March 21 by the looks of it [14:44] Most of the day, complete outage of DNS (as in, the DNS zone files disappeared) and instead of refusing connections or anything sane, HE's servers just responded NXDOMAIN for everything. [14:44] Oh and didn't respond with the SERVERERROR flag set either. [14:44] So all DNS lookups came back as simple legitimate "no such record" responses... [14:45] * brycec was not happy [14:46] Summed up: https://twitter.com/FREEDOMISARIGH/status/711983418599481344 [14:46] TWITTER: @henet What's the point of deploying Secondary DNS servers if ns?.he.net returns NXDOMAIN instead of SERVFAIL when it's down????? (Mon Mar 21 18:30:49 +0000 2016, in reply to @henet, retweeted 3 times) [14:47] Or in layman's terms https://twitter.com/DarioCentofanti/status/711979106397597696 [14:47] TWITTER: @henet perhaps it would be better to leave your DNS offline until the full recovery. No answer is better then a wrong answer! (Mon Mar 21 18:13:41 +0000 2016, in reply to @henet) [14:51] did they ever reply to those remarks? [14:51] oh - well then, maybe I'm depending on it too much. [14:51] that seems like a bad enough mistake to warrant at least a "sorry ya'll" [14:52] In skimming Twitter, no signs of an apology [14:53] brycec: wow that sucks [14:53] For what I was paying, I guess I couldn't be *too* mad. But dammit... [14:53] And stupid me for not having an offline copy of my zone. I had to wait until HE was restored before I could fully migrate my zones away. [14:54] I guess they call it "beta" for a reason too [16:33] that makes me skeptical about he.net in general not just for DNS :) [16:33] not that i wasn't already skeptical about secondary DNS services. [16:41] heh [16:42] I still wonder how they make enough to stay in business considering they give away IPv6 transit (and tunnels), tshirts, training, and DNS. Are their colo customers paying *that* much? Or if they're a 2-man operation (figuratively speaking) how can they reliably keep up their paid colo customers and other services? [16:43] (Obviously, in the case of DNS, they couldn't :P) But they have quite a bit of infra spread allll over the world. Seems a bit much for just a few guys to maintain. [16:44] they sell ipv4 transit [16:44] i think they're proabbly 13ish people size? [16:44] i dunno [16:44] maybe more :) [16:44] maybe they're huge. who knows. they may be doing heaps of building transit. hardly anyone talks about that [16:46] Hm didn't know they sold v4 transit too. That probably helps I suppose. Still, giving away v6 in the quantities they must see (based on my own usage, and what I know I contribute to ARP's usage, multiplied by thousands) is remarkable. [16:50] is there a way to connect to a pts using ssh [16:50] pseudo terminal [16:51] like an existing session of another user on the system [17:01] * dne found e.g. https://github.com/nelhage/reptyr [17:02] and some more: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/4034/how-can-i-disown-a-running-process-and-associate-it-to-a-new-screen-shell [17:05] brycec: they have their own 10 gigabit transit links, and need extra bandwidth to absorb ddos attacks etc. [17:05] and they get more customers with the free transit [17:06] it's hard to know how it works out for them. [17:17] I guess their v4 business built those 10gbit links then, so that's essentially a fixed one-time cost at least. (excepting maintenance and repairs) [17:17] i think they have some bigger links now too. [17:18] but i dunno, some companies just lose money a lot while trying to gain market share. [17:21] https://www.glassdoor.com/Overview/Working-at-Hurricane-Electric-EI_IE424118.11,29.htm [17:21] 51 to 200 employees [17:21] then again HE has been around for 22 years, hardly a startup :p [17:23] wow [17:23] you said 22 years and i thought kind of a long time [17:23] then i see on wikipedia founded in 1994. :) [17:23] starting in '94 is pretty impressive [17:25] especially if they've been losing money since then ;) [17:28] HE has been an staple in the industry [17:28] *a [17:28] We would get postcards for 100 Mbps of bandwidth for like $49 / Mbps in 2001 ($49!!) ;) [17:30] from a random Glassdoor review: "Cons: Low wage, slavery, no team environment. [17:30] ...slavery, casually dropped in there. [17:31] dne: thanks [17:44] brycec: i would take those with a grain of salt [17:44] but yeah it doesn't make it sound too appealing. [17:45] dne: losing money isn't necessarily bad for a company like them [17:45] they're in so many markets it's crazy, and the internet isn't a fad [17:46] i don't think they'd find it hard to get more funding if necessary [17:46] some people have a really hard time fitting in in small companies [17:46] apparently he.net are on more exchanges than any other provider [17:46] so they see an environment that's probably semi-sane as toxic [17:46] JC_Denton: well with small companies you especially want to get along with your coworkers well [17:47] but really if you apply for a small company and don't meet staff in advance that's your own fault. [17:48] pretty much [17:48] and some companies truly are a bit whacko [17:48] the mom 'n' pop ISP i worked for had its share of trials and tribulations [17:48] i hear it's pretty common to have toxic work environments in small companies from one or two bad eggs. [17:48] yeah. [17:48] it's hard to refocus out of negative nancy mode [17:49] i'd be more concerned about medium sized companies in general though. [17:50] why? too much middle mgmt? [17:50] well larger companies often manage to streamline everything, work out the chinks, or be beyond a joke obviously [17:50] middle sized companies often there are communication breaks etc [17:51] so like say helpdesk has long distance communication with network engineers at he.net say [17:51] and all they can say is something like technicians are working on it. [17:51] and they're kind of in the dark [17:52] i think it's really good when there's good communication at all levels myself [17:52] and naturally smaller companies often lean that way, as they know everyone a little at least etc. [17:53] and acquisitions and rapid growth tend to make things worse [17:55] i wonder if he.net stared down the acquisitions path [17:56] it casually looked to me like they were more building out their own infrastructure rather than buying up other companies [17:56] i find an acquisition in 2002.. [17:57] so yeah not frequent at least it seems [18:59] s/chin/kin/ [18:59] well larger companies often manage to streamline everything, work out the kinks, or be beyond a joke obviously [18:59] @ud chink [18:59] chink: A racist term used to describe the Chinese. Example: "" [19:00] oh oops! [19:00] my apologies [19:00] lol :D [22:34] http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Debian_now_with_ZFS_on_Linux_included.html [22:53] nice [23:45] traceroute monitor looks suspiciously like mtr [23:46] it looks funny when microsoft provide mtrs heh