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| JC_Denton | can anyone recommend decent secondary DNS providers that provide NTFY support? | [00:39] |
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| andol | JC_Denton: NTFY, as in Notify? | [01:06] |
| dne | the only decent one is doing it yourself :) | [01:07] |
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| JC_Denton | andol: yeah | [06:56] |
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| andol | JC_Denton: At work we are happy with dyn.com. Well, we are using them as Primary, but they do Secondary as well, supporting both Notify and TSIG. | [07:50] |
| JC_Denton | yeah, they're a bit pricey :(
for just secondary, imo | [07:51] |
| andol | https://www.easydns.com/ aren't that bad either. | [07:52] |
| dne | JC_Denton: dnsmadeeasy?
I've only used them as primary - their UI is clunky, but didn't have any issues otherwise | [07:58] |
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| RandalSchwartz | I'm using he.com as my secondary. They're pretty reliable. :) | [08:19] |
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| JC_Denton | RandalSchwartz: as its own service?
BuddyNS, who i've been using, has fell off the earth it seems. their systems aren't doing XFRs anymore and their support address's MX is refusing connections. | [13:15] |
| mkb | if the domain is registered at gandi, they will provide a secondary | [13:23] |
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| brycec | JC_Denton: freedns.afraid.org and dns.he.net both support being secondary DNS and receiving notifications
(And I've used both as secondaries) | [13:40] |
| JC_Denton | brycec: any opinion on one or the other? | [13:50] |
| brycec | Not really. If pressed, I'd say HE because they're a "real network provider" (i.e. doing all kinds of network things for business), but I was recently burned by an extended outage they had a few weeks back and have since moved most of my DNS (they were primary for most of my stuff) elsewhere. | [14:03] |
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| up_the_irons | brycec: HE had an extended outage? | [14:38] |
| brycec | And I griped about it! | [14:41] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [14:41] |
| brycec | back in March
March 21 by the looks of it Most of the day, complete outage of DNS (as in, the DNS zone files disappeared) and instead of refusing connections or anything sane, HE's servers just responded NXDOMAIN for everything. Oh and didn't respond with the SERVERERROR flag set either. So all DNS lookups came back as simple legitimate "no such record" responses... brycec was not happy Summed up: https://twitter.com/FREEDOMISARIGH/status/711983418599481344 | [14:41] |
| BryceBot | TWITTER: @henet What's the point of deploying Secondary DNS servers if ns?.he.net returns NXDOMAIN instead of SERVFAIL when it's down????? (Mon Mar 21 18:30:49 +0000 2016, in reply to @henet, retweeted 3 times) | [14:46] |
| brycec | Or in layman's terms https://twitter.com/DarioCentofanti/status/711979106397597696 | [14:47] |
| BryceBot | TWITTER: @henet perhaps it would be better to leave your DNS offline until the full recovery. No answer is better then a wrong answer! (Mon Mar 21 18:13:41 +0000 2016, in reply to @henet) | [14:47] |
| sjackso | did they ever reply to those remarks? | [14:51] |
| RandalSchwartz | oh - well then, maybe I'm depending on it too much. | [14:51] |
| sjackso | that seems like a bad enough mistake to warrant at least a "sorry ya'll" | [14:51] |
| brycec | In skimming Twitter, no signs of an apology | [14:52] |
| up_the_irons | brycec: wow that sucks | [14:53] |
| brycec | For what I was paying, I guess I couldn't be *too* mad. But dammit...
And stupid me for not having an offline copy of my zone. I had to wait until HE was restored before I could fully migrate my zones away. | [14:53] |
| dne | I guess they call it "beta" for a reason too | [14:54] |
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| mercutio | that makes me skeptical about he.net in general not just for DNS :)
not that i wasn't already skeptical about secondary DNS services. | [16:33] |
| brycec | heh
I still wonder how they make enough to stay in business considering they give away IPv6 transit (and tunnels), tshirts, training, and DNS. Are their colo customers paying *that* much? Or if they're a 2-man operation (figuratively speaking) how can they reliably keep up their paid colo customers and other services? (Obviously, in the case of DNS, they couldn't :P) But they have quite a bit of infra spread allll over the world. Seems a bit much for just a few guys to maintain. | [16:41] |
| mercutio | they sell ipv4 transit
i think they're proabbly 13ish people size? i dunno maybe more :) maybe they're huge. who knows. they may be doing heaps of building transit. hardly anyone talks about that | [16:44] |
| brycec | Hm didn't know they sold v4 transit too. That probably helps I suppose. Still, giving away v6 in the quantities they must see (based on my own usage, and what I know I contribute to ARP's usage, multiplied by thousands) is remarkable. | [16:46] |
| mnathani | is there a way to connect to a pts using ssh
pseudo terminal like an existing session of another user on the system | [16:50] |
| dne | dne found e.g. https://github.com/nelhage/reptyr
and some more: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/4034/how-can-i-disown-a-running-process-and-associate-it-to-a-new-screen-shell | [17:01] |
| mercutio | brycec: they have their own 10 gigabit transit links, and need extra bandwidth to absorb ddos attacks etc.
and they get more customers with the free transit it's hard to know how it works out for them. | [17:05] |
| brycec | I guess their v4 business built those 10gbit links then, so that's essentially a fixed one-time cost at least. (excepting maintenance and repairs) | [17:17] |
| mercutio | i think they have some bigger links now too.
but i dunno, some companies just lose money a lot while trying to gain market share. https://www.glassdoor.com/Overview/Working-at-Hurricane-Electric-EI_IE424118.11,29.htm 51 to 200 employees | [17:17] |
| brycec | then again HE has been around for 22 years, hardly a startup :p | [17:21] |
| mercutio | wow
you said 22 years and i thought kind of a long time then i see on wikipedia founded in 1994. :) starting in '94 is pretty impressive | [17:23] |
| dne | especially if they've been losing money since then ;) | [17:25] |
| up_the_irons | HE has been an staple in the industry
*a We would get postcards for 100 Mbps of bandwidth for like $49 / Mbps in 2001 ($49!!) ;) | [17:28] |
| brycec | from a random Glassdoor review: "Cons: Low wage, slavery, no team environment.
...slavery, casually dropped in there. | [17:30] |
| mnathani | dne: thanks | [17:31] |
| mercutio | brycec: i would take those with a grain of salt
but yeah it doesn't make it sound too appealing. dne: losing money isn't necessarily bad for a company like them they're in so many markets it's crazy, and the internet isn't a fad i don't think they'd find it hard to get more funding if necessary | [17:44] |
| JC_Denton | some people have a really hard time fitting in in small companies | [17:46] |
| mercutio | apparently he.net are on more exchanges than any other provider | [17:46] |
| JC_Denton | so they see an environment that's probably semi-sane as toxic | [17:46] |
| mercutio | JC_Denton: well with small companies you especially want to get along with your coworkers well
but really if you apply for a small company and don't meet staff in advance that's your own fault. | [17:46] |
| JC_Denton | pretty much
and some companies truly are a bit whacko the mom 'n' pop ISP i worked for had its share of trials and tribulations | [17:48] |
| mercutio | i hear it's pretty common to have toxic work environments in small companies from one or two bad eggs. | [17:48] |
| JC_Denton | yeah.
it's hard to refocus out of negative nancy mode | [17:48] |
| mercutio | i'd be more concerned about medium sized companies in general though. | [17:49] |
| JC_Denton | why? too much middle mgmt? | [17:50] |
| mercutio | well larger companies often manage to streamline everything, work out the chinks, or be beyond a joke obviously
middle sized companies often there are communication breaks etc so like say helpdesk has long distance communication with network engineers at he.net say and all they can say is something like technicians are working on it. and they're kind of in the dark i think it's really good when there's good communication at all levels myself and naturally smaller companies often lean that way, as they know everyone a little at least etc. and acquisitions and rapid growth tend to make things worse i wonder if he.net stared down the acquisitions path it casually looked to me like they were more building out their own infrastructure rather than buying up other companies i find an acquisition in 2002.. so yeah not frequent at least it seems | [17:50] |
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| brycec | s/chin/kin/ | [18:59] |
| BryceBot | <mercutio> well larger companies often manage to streamline everything, work out the kinks, or be beyond a joke obviously | [18:59] |
| brycec | @ud chink | [18:59] |
| BryceBot | chink: A racist term used to describe the Chinese. Example: "" | [18:59] |
| mercutio | oh oops!
my apologies | [19:00] |
| brycec | lol :D | [19:00] |
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| mercutio | http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Debian_now_with_ZFS_on_Linux_included.html | [22:34] |
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| up_the_irons | nice | [22:53] |
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| mercutio | traceroute monitor looks suspiciously like mtr
it looks funny when microsoft provide mtrs heh | [23:45] |
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