[06:32] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [08:34] *** YesThatTom has joined #arpnetworks [08:34] *** YesThatTom has left [12:03] Do the kvr hosts have hardware raid or software raid? [12:04] I know it's hotswappable drives [12:04] Just not sure about hardware or software [12:24] hardware for sure [17:10] *** gizmoguy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [17:10] *** DaCa has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [17:10] *** toddf has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [17:11] *** gizmoguy has joined #arpnetworks [17:11] *** toddf has joined #arpnetworks [17:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o toddf [17:11] *** DaCa has joined #arpnetworks [17:25] *** KDE_Perry has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [17:27] *** mkb has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [17:27] *** mkb has joined #arpnetworks [17:27] *** KDE_Perry has joined #arpnetworks [17:27] I wish I knew why that happened [17:42] why what happened? [17:42] freenode network outages? [17:42] probably ddos.. [17:43] said ping timeout on my end [17:43] you weren't the only one [17:43] I just assumed it was me or something close [17:44] hmm [17:44] kde_perry went out too [17:44] but looks like just you two this time :) [17:44] the other ones were earlier [17:55] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [18:03] http://www.macrumors.com/2016/03/16/apple-icloud-google-cloud-platform/ [18:04] I hate these clouds [18:05] tcpdump no longer tells me what traffic is from what since it's practically all to AWS [18:25] could you look up the tcp stack and do some packet inspection to check URLs for GET requests and such [18:25] mkb^ [18:27] they encrypt it all [18:27] I mean I have root and can get past that [19:20] heh i loved it when i had an adsl modem i could run tcpdump on [19:20] pity only really old ones work [19:21] it just seemed so right. i can tcpdump now, but that's with pppoe.. [19:23] *** JC_Denton has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [19:23] *** nesta has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [19:28] *** JC_Denton has joined #arpnetworks [19:28] *** nesta has joined #arpnetworks [19:38] *** shepo has joined #arpnetworks [19:38] hello [19:38] holaaaaa [19:39] *** shepo has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [19:42] Hello user that didn't stick around more than 2 minutes [19:53] anyone use spotify? If so - does anyone actually pay for it? [19:53] * brycec on both accounts [19:54] * brycec is listening this very second, even. [19:54] I would still be using iTunes - but its just so slow in comparison [19:55] on my first month trial at the moment [19:55] As someone not indoctrinated in the iOS ecosystem, iTunes really offers me nothing (especially on *nix) [19:56] I notice you had some irssi / itunes controller project in your github repo [19:56] does spotify have a *nix client? [19:57] I used to use OSX, ages ago. Kinda dropped off around 10.6 [19:57] Spotify has a Linux binary client, and a web client (flash is required, I think.) [19:59] And as an Android, and Chromecast user - Spotify has Android clients and I can "cast" it to Chromecast devices [19:59] cool [20:00] * nathani thinks of installing debian on my thinkpad (currently running Windows10) To try out the Linux client [20:01] it's nothing particularly special. You're just as well off, if not better, using the Windows client if you're on Windows. [20:01] are there any decent music players on unix comparable to foobar2000 yet? [20:01] Linux client tends to lag a bit feature-wise. [20:01] i never did like rhythmbox and the like [20:02] I really couldn't say since I have no experience with foobar2000 [20:02] ahh [20:02] i.e. I don't know what makes foobar2000 so great :p [20:02] https://www.foobar2000.org/images/img/main-black.png [20:03] it's nice and simple, and it makes it easy to read and do stuff and play albums :) [20:03] whilst being light weight [20:03] Looks like it has a library manager built-in too? [20:03] kind of [20:03] you just build the library by adding directories [20:03] Sounds like VLC's scheme [20:03] but then you can exit and go back in [20:03] and it will retain that [20:04] also you can put more in there and it'll pick it up [20:04] Yeah iirc VLC has that. It's not the default playlist view, it has a library thinger. [20:04] hmm [20:04] heh prodigy [20:04] i remember prodigy :) [20:05] For the very minimal amount I need/use a media thing in linux, I'm happy with Rhythmbox. (I just use it to sync to a USB drive for the car) [20:05] i used to use mpg123/ogg123 [20:05] * brycec is currently watching Rhythmbox notice changes in his music directory) [20:05] and just play albums from command line [20:06] for some reason i found rhythmbox really slow [20:06] i wonder how big my music library is [20:06] it's all over the network.. [20:06] well actually over the internet :) [20:06] only 144gb [20:07] but even that is just over 8 weeks long.. [20:07] It's not noticeably slow for me. Takes about 5 seconds of showing a blank library before it shows my 340GB library, 101+ days [20:07] ahh i was thinking of scanning time [20:08] i suppose i don't need to keep rescanning [20:08] maybe i should try it again sometime [20:08] i've been just using foobar2000 on windows :) [20:08] (And said library is on an NFS share) [20:08] 5 seconds is ok [20:08] it't not like i reboot every day :) [20:13] Also, Spotify is integrated into my receiver -- or failing a fancy receiver, a PS4 -- so I can tell the client to move my music playback from my laptop/headphones/etc to the receiver while I cook, AND I can still control playback using the receiver remote, my computer, or even the Spotify app on my phone. [20:13] that sounds hadny [20:13] i always wanted remote room audio [20:13] (My receiver isn't "fancy" - I'd say it was lower-mid-range at the time I bought it 3 years ago) [20:13] instead of having to turn the volume up and open doors :) [20:42] *** dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks [20:55] *** mjp_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [20:57] *** mjp_ has joined #arpnetworks [21:39] *** DaCa has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [22:18] does mozilla like confusing their users [22:18] "the owner of this website has configured their website improperly. to protect you, firefox has not connected to this website." [22:19] that means the certificate didn't verify [22:19] if it's just configured improperly, why do you have to not connect? [22:19] firefox and chrome have both started getting strict with ssl certs. [22:19] and if it's an actual security problem, why do you say it's configured improperly? [22:20] they went from warning users to not letting users through [22:20] like i think you need tls support now? [22:20] the exception button still worked fortunately [22:20] ahh cool [22:21] i hit quite a few websites in google with a different domain configured [22:21] but it's the text that irritates me [22:21] so the cert will be for a different domain but still have the right content [22:21] they know 99% of that is not a real issue [22:21] and yet they keep making it harder to get through [22:22] itd epends what level of trust you need/want/desire from a site [22:22] like a bank having a misconfigured domain name would send alarm bells [22:22] some random internet forum or such not relaly [22:22] this guy's blog seems to be signed with let's encrypt [22:23] which apparently doesn't actually work [22:23] oh [22:23] i hit an issue with let's encrypt where it was working in chrome but not firefox [22:23] it may not be including the intermediate cert [22:23] oh that is configured improperly... [22:23] kind of, yeah [22:24] it's complicated [22:24] they have two legacy certs [22:24] to use to increase browser support while they're trying to get their root cert everywhere [22:24] that's my understanding [22:24] so not necessarily improperly configured [22:24] but less "openly" configured [22:25] * mkb looks at the cert again [22:25] you could say it's like allowing ssl support for legacy users [22:25] CN=Let's Encrypt Authority X1/O=Let's Encrypt/C=US [22:25] if you want the widest audience you need to, but if you are only expecting modern users it's not so bad [22:25] oh no.. https://letsencrypt.org/certs/isrg-keys.png [22:26] although it's a bit safer than allowing ssl users [22:27] The site just works on chrome right? [22:28] idk I don't have it installed [22:28] Ahh [22:28] Well it is a blog [22:28] * mkb tries safari [22:28] https://blog.josefsson.org/2014/06/23/offline-gnupg-master-key-and-subkeys-on-yubikey-neo-smartcard/ [22:28] I think you b are safe to just accept [22:29] I'm safe because I'm just reading it :) [22:29] Chrome Android bitches [22:29] it could have some sort of zero-day, but that's true of everything [22:29] Says invalid cert authority [22:30] I get so many random b letters on my phone [22:31] though I don't see why safari likes it [22:31] it actualyl works fine on chrome on pc too [22:32] maybe he hasn't noticed [22:32] you could tell him :) [22:32] curl doesn't like it either [22:33] I'm okay with the message. It's not technical and it's not supposed to be - it's supposed to be as simple as possible for the typical luddite to understand. The idea is to say there's a problem and that it's not the $lusers's fault. 22:15 "the owner of this website has configured their website improperly. to protect you, firefox has not connected to this website." [22:33] *** DaCa has joined #arpnetworks [22:33] (As someone that is technical support for their immediate family, who aren't exactly "bright" when it comes to computers...) [22:34] And frankly I'd rather a too-secure than a too-loose policy. Like mercutio said, if it's a bank or important online provider then that shit is serious. If it's Joe's Blog then maybe it's not a big deal, but I don't want my mother making that decision... [22:35] yes but it's supposed to happen when something is seriously wrong and it just acts like there's some minor configuration problem [22:35] SSH gives a much more urgent warning [22:35] ``IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)!'' [22:37] Because you don't want $luser calling the police over it... [22:37] And trust me, $lusers overreact in comical ways. [22:38] (Not making this up - personal experience) [22:38] oh I believe you [22:38] So the message can't be *too* alarming... [22:38] but he'll click the exception button [22:38] Not if he can't find it [22:38] it was right there [22:38] well [22:38] Well the Exception button is there, but to actually add the exception isn't clear [22:38] $luser generally can't find things which are right on the screen [22:39] and I admit to having done it hundreds of times [22:39] And last I recall, the exception button was hidden under "I Understand the Risks" [22:40] it's labeled Advanced -> Add exception -> Confirm here [22:40] nothing really indicates that there's a risk [22:40] maybe ``To protect your information from being stolen'' [22:41] hmm maybe this is a different message [22:41] though that's silly too... unknown issuer and fake issuer would look the same [22:42] * brycec hasn't really dealt with FF personally in a awhile, and I know they change things... [22:42] as far as I can tell from Google the most common reason to get that message is because you've installed an antivirus program [22:42] of course they MITM you [22:43] I really expected to find a bunch of screenshots with arrows before page two and I didn't so maybe it's not so hopeless [23:02] brycec: i'm ok with it being tight as long as it's easy to add exceptions :) [23:03] firefox to me seems better than it used to be