[00:35] *** pyvpx_ is now known as pyvpx [00:36] *** milki has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [00:50] Well I guess I can guess which host zeit.arpnetworks is on :p [00:56] haha [00:57] it'll be back soon [00:57] are you on the notification list for that kvr? [00:58] mercutio: I have my own monitoring [00:58] i mean for prewarning [00:58] that alerted me to it being down [00:58] hopefully it wasn't too intrusive [00:58] mercutio: Oh, no but I saw the tweet [01:00] it should be back in about 10 minutes [01:01] Cool good to know [01:08] And there it's pinging again [01:08] i underestimated :) [01:09] It's back up, cool [01:15] yip it's all done now :) [01:19] hmm that was under the minimum estimated downtime. [01:22] Better shut the host down to make up the rest of the time [01:22] Wouldn't want people getting any ideas [01:22] heh [01:24] i dunno i think most people have expectations of 0 downtime now [01:26] actually most is probably not the word :) [08:49] *** milki has joined #arpnetworks [11:41] anyone experience not being able to click the start button while connected to a windows 10 box via RDP? [11:47] Hm, nope (not that I [almost] ever *click* it, there's a key for that :p) [11:48] neither click nor using the key worked for me [11:49] something to do with the RDP session [13:52] anyone here with experience with icecast? [13:53] *** jbum has joined #arpnetworks [14:01] *** jbum has quit IRC (Quit: jbum) [14:12] *** nclee has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [14:15] Long time ago [14:16] maybe explorer locked up mnathani_ ? [14:16] i've seen a few weird situations with windows 10 and explorer. [14:16] That would be odd because I was 95% certain the start menu is controlled by dwm.exe [14:17] well explorer issues can cause the whole start bar at the bottom of the screen to run into issues [14:17] hmm now i'm not sure if that's called start bar or there's some name that includes system tray start bar, quick launch, and the running applications. [14:19] dwm is the "window manager" apparently [14:20] *** nclee has joined #arpnetworks [14:21] Might even say the "desktop window manager" ;) [14:22] Da Window Managa [14:51] I'm looking for icecast running at arp to which I can connect my DJ software running on my laptop [14:51] that way the stream will have a public address. [14:52] RandalSchwartz: http://www.caster.fm/ offers a free plan [14:52] (literally just the first google result for me; no affiliation or experience) [14:53] "no direct stream URL" [14:53] so that won't work [14:53] Ah only their Pro plan offers that [15:03] i'd suggest just trying to do it and see how it goes [15:03] easy enough to test [15:15] Just remember passwords and other such access control ;) [16:22] bryce: there used to be tv and radio analogue receivers that you could just send a signal to and they'd bounce it out further [16:22] with no security :) [16:22] as much as security is nice the idea of free speech is kind of nice too :) [16:30] mercutio: free speech is swell until it's consuming your entire bandwidth quota [16:31] (I'm mainly concerned about nefarious people streaming their own crap) [16:35] yeh the internet is probably more dangerous :) [16:49] *** mkb has joined #arpnetworks [16:56] *** kellytk has joined #arpnetworks [16:57] I'm attempting to connect to the VM Management Server for my VPS but I'm having trouble with the keypair I use. Is ed25519 supported? [17:02] it may not be [17:08] It wasn't covered in the KB article [17:18] well ed25519 is quite new [17:48] I can confirm that neither ecdsa nor ed25519 work [17:48] Which is NO surprise at all given: OpenBSD 4.5 (GENERIC) #2052: Sat Feb 28 14:55:24 MST 2009 [17:48] Come on up_the_irons, that's like 8 years old [17:49] Oh only 7 [17:49] At least rsa still works... [18:00] :-( [18:01] nearly 7 [18:01] All the same, there are children on the Internet younger than that box [18:01] there are two years on the internet [18:02] err two year olds [18:02] mercutio: 7 -4 days [18:02] That won't turn out well [18:02] @date Feb 28 14:55:24 MST 2009 [18:02] 6 years, 51 weeks, 5 days, 4 hours, 3 minutes, 12 seconds ago. [Interpreted date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 13:55:24 -0800] [18:02] heh [18:02] Not even 4 days, just ~2 days shy of 7 years :P [18:03] heh [18:04] ecdsa would be nice [18:05] i haven't actually used ed25519 [18:05] I realize up_the_irons doesn't like rocking the boat, but it's just a "serial server"... how much can break from an upgrade? [18:06] serial can break [18:06] That's what she said!! [18:06] :) [18:06] I'd use ed25519 if more key managers/agents supported it. (gnome-keyring, PuTTY, etc) [18:06] mercutio: I thought that box just "telnetted" to the various hosts, no actual serial involved? [18:07] it's still a serial console :/ [18:07] however it works [18:07] like ipmi serial involves no serial either [18:07] Except that it's vulnerable, I assume. [18:07] i just bought a null modem cable [18:07] how new age :) [18:08] * brycec has oodles of null modem cables, and even a couple straight serial cables [18:08] i had some stuff like that in my garage [18:08] but my garage was dangerous [18:09] there were two garages, one caved in the other was just unsafe [18:10] (from earthquake) [18:12] You make NZ sound awful, like California :p [18:12] heh [18:12] it's similar to california in that it gets shallow earthquakes [18:13] with high momentum but low magnitude [18:52] What RSA key size would provide comparable security to ed25519? [19:41] "there are children on the Internet younger than that box" LOL brycec [19:41] *** kellytk has left [19:43] brycec: from my understanding, we'd have to go through every single OpenBSD version from 4.5 to now, in order to upgrade. The effort / reward just isn't there. Not many people are asking for new key support. [19:43] but it's definitely a nice-to-have [19:49] Well you're *supposed* to go through every release for upgrades. If you're feeling lucky, you can definitely make the leap, but expect some changes from 5.5 to temporarily break logins. [19:50] (Or just do a new install because, in theory, all your personal stuff can be boiled into $HOME, pkg_add $(pkg_info), and siteXX.tgz :P) [19:51] yeah i think it would be far better to start from scratch [20:39] wasn't time_t around that time? [20:39] certainly between 4.5 and now [20:40] oh "some changes from 5.5" [20:40] time_t was 5.5 as I recall [20:40] which is what I was alluding to with "expect some changes from 5.5 to temporarily break logins." [20:40] (Having upgraded a system straight from 4.9 to 5.8) [20:45] bryce likes living on the edge [20:45] but yeah that and one other update were annoying iirc [20:46] i accidentally upgraded from 32bit to 64bit once [20:46] mercutio: I was curious what would happen :p (it was a clone of a production system, so no harm) [20:46] and then i figured i'll just go with it :) [20:46] I've unpacked macppc on a sparc64 system. Suffice to say, it didn't come back from reboot. [20:46] (The dangers of doing headless upgrades) [20:46] haha shit [20:46] (and not paying attention) [20:47] i actually haven't had many issues with headless upgrades [20:47] there's a kind of apprehension about it though [20:47] Me either, happy to say. Except for PEBKAC above. [20:48] i used to boot openbsd from floppy [20:48] and do network installs [20:49] which was good on older gear [20:50] like my home router pc like 15 years ago [21:11] *** milki has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) [21:12] *** milki has joined #arpnetworks [21:35] *** mnathani2_ has joined #arpnetworks [21:37] *** mnathani_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [22:19] Anyone work with commercial grade WiFi products? Like, you provide wireless mesh networking to a city or simply small neighborhood [22:26] yes I often exchange packets with such devices :) [22:27] noooo ;) [22:33] up_the_irons: are you going to provide city wifi? :) [22:34] mercutio: perhaps and office building or two, if the numbers work. We've been approached about this several times. [23:01] Are there antennas everywhere there ? [23:18] mercutio: i haven't visited the site yet (going next week), but I don't believe there are antennas [23:23] Relevant: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/11/how-a-group-of-neighbors-created-their-own-internet-service/ [23:23] Ars Technica: "How a group of neighbors created their own Internet service" [23:24] (May have some useful details, useful contacts, etc) [23:39] *** mnathani2_ is now known as mnathani_ [23:54] that to my mind seemed overdesigned [23:54] come on, using a drone to find good wireless vantage points :)