[01:22] *** mrsaint has joined #arpnetworks [02:15] *** mercutio has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [02:15] *** mercutio has joined #arpnetworks [02:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mercutio [03:55] apparently "rm -rf /" can brick some motherboards. [03:55] go uefi! [04:20] With systemd? [04:51] *** anis has quit IRC (Quit: Bingo!) [04:59] *** mhoran_ is now known as mhoran [05:00] mike-burns: with UEFI. [05:00] Since the EFI partition is mounted on /boot/efi on a GRUB system. [05:00] Probably similarly on EFI aware BSD. [05:00] So if you blow away some EFI blob that the motherboard depends on, it could fail to boot. [05:00] Only if the securelevel is 0, as I understood it. [05:01] And also only if the device is mounted rw. [05:01] That's extremely poor engineering on part of the manufacturers. [05:01] My /boot/efi is mounted rw. [05:01] It should be ro! [05:01] What does the securelevel have to do with it? If my vendor depends on some blob in the EFI system partition to boot, and I delete it, then I couldn't boot? [05:02] "OpenBSD has long prohibited even root from direct hardware access by defaulting to “securelevel” 1." - tedu on Lobste.rs. [05:02] But EFI partition is just fat32. [05:02] If you remove a file from it, it's gone. [05:03] I don't think securelevel is going to save you from that. But mount ro is! [05:03] I think you're confusing /boot/efi with /sys/firmware/efi/efivars? [05:03] I might be. [05:03] Anyway, this is not a problem on the X1 carbon, as I've formatted my EFI system partition and was able to boot just fine. [05:04] On Linux at least, root can write to efivars, but that's probably a good thing to protect in some way via securelevel. [05:04] Though one is unable to add a boot loader to the list without being able to write to that. [05:04] Either way: EFI seems pretty broken in default installs, and perhaps in general. [05:05] Why are people rm-rf'ing / or /boot/efi ? [05:05] * mhoran shrugs. [05:06] Maybe they want a new laptop? [05:06] Well I'm glad someone tried it so we can learn what happens. [05:07] Yeah! [05:22] *** anisfarhana has joined #arpnetworks [05:22] hail ARP! [07:21] *** tooth_ is now known as tooth [08:01] *** hive-mind has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [08:01] *** hive-mind has joined #arpnetworks [10:17] *** Guest88629 is now known as JC_Denton [13:04] i don't it's the EFI system partition so mucch as the EFI vars partition [13:05] I kind of like/dislike EFI. Apparently the specifications are 2000+ pages. [13:05] i like the "basic" features. [13:06] mercutio: right, dne mentioned cleared that :p [13:07] UEFI - on the one hand, you get a well defined, thoroughly designed specification. On the other hand, it's somewhat insane. [13:07] ahh but it was before mhoran was saying he cleared EFI SP [13:07] BIOS sortof just shook out of a bunch of people implementing similar systems, slowly becoming a defacto standard. [13:08] i've been playing with amiga stuff recently. it's amazing how much simpler stuff iss [13:08] although they hit some 4GB limits etc. [13:09] Pffft how dare they use 32bit unsigned integers [13:09] well it was the early 90s. [13:09] That's what she said!! [13:10] i think it's interesting the way amiga just has devices/libraries in the rom [13:10] I demand 128-bit address space! [13:10] and you can replace them when booting [13:10] so in a way you have a kind of modular "bios" [13:11] people have custom flashed their own roms etc too adding devices etc [13:11] i think the pc bios's were pretty modular too after a while actually [13:12] They were hookable, yes. [13:12] but i think that's mostly about addons like whether you want pxe boot roms etc [13:12] Nowadays, yes. Earlier on, it was hard drive/SCSI controllers predominately. [13:13] heh. asrock added support for nvme boot on z77 board in beta bios [13:13] but usually bios updates are far and few between for new hardware on old boards [13:14] i have z77 board and nvme ssd, i should try it :) [13:14] Thanks to the wonders of the UEFI architecture, my "bios" can connect to the Internet, check for, and download updates. All with a few mouseclicks. [13:14] so can mine [13:15] Crazy, fun times. [13:15] i always get asrock boards now :) [13:15] you can't set static ip though [13:15] is yours asrock too? [13:15] Intel. [13:15] oh interesting [13:15] asus boards don't seem to do that [13:16] gigabyte i won't touch :) [13:16] are you using systemd-bootd? [13:16] err systemd-boot [13:17] i've finally ditched grub on uefi systems :) [13:18] I boot with rEFInd actually. [13:19] ahh [13:49] *** Seju has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [13:55] *** Seji has joined #arpnetworks [18:08] *** qbit has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.4) [18:09] *** qbit has joined #arpnetworks [18:18] *** mnathani2_ is now known as mnathani_ [18:42] anyone follow the Iowa caucus? [23:22] *** milki_ is now known as milki