[00:09] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [00:17] Google Chrome needs to come up with a better way to manage multiple tabs [00:55] I'm with you there [07:44] *** kip has joined #arpnetworks [12:15] *** nesta_ has joined #arpnetworks [13:02] *** jpalmer is now known as DrkShdw [13:02] *** DrkShdw is now known as jpalmer [13:25] *** kellytk has left "WeeChat 1.0.1" [14:56] his whole Ian Murdock story is a bit disturbing. [14:56] this even [15:30] *** lyarick has joined #arpnetworks [15:48] Possible suicide? [16:04] s/his w/this w [16:04] this whole Ian Murdock story is a bit disturbing. [16:04] :-) [16:04] yeh that's what i meant by this even [16:05] Saw that after [16:05] yeh it's murky at best. [16:05] doesn't look like anyone can know for sure what happened yet. [16:05] but however you look at it, it's like the guy behind debian dying under questionable circumstances. [16:06] and even if some people don't like debian, no-one can argue they didn't completely and utterly change the landscape of distributions. [16:06] i don't think any of the other distributions early on even tried to only include free software. [16:07] like there was "free" software back then that wasn't licensed properly. [16:08] the ideology is kind of why debian was my first distro.. [16:10] I think mine was Mandrake / Mandriva [16:12] ahh [16:13] i'm quite liking arch these days. [16:13] i think mandrake's not around anymore? [16:19] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandriva_Linux [16:19] Error in Wikipedia's response: [16:19] Last release 4 years ago [16:30] I like Arch documentation. But I still run Debian. [16:33] Why does ARP run Ubuntu rather than Debian? [16:33] On the kvr hosts ofcourse [16:35] i'm not sure. [16:36] i suspect it's because ubuntu had kvm first.. [16:36] Lts probably? And at the time that arp got started, Ubuntu was packaging kvm and new kernels before Debian [16:36] Yup [16:36] that said ubuntu works fine, i don't have anything against ubuntu for servers. [16:36] Pretty much interchangeable. [16:38] ubuntu 16.04 is bringing in zfs [16:38] but it seems not on the installer.. [16:41] that said, zfs still doesn't deal well with low memory, so it's still not so great for vps's :( [16:41] i think freebsd is a bit better than linux for that, .. [17:36] *** nesta_ is now known as nesta [19:53] *** lyarick1 has joined #arpnetworks [19:55] *** lyarick has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [21:39] p. excited for 16.04 [21:39] That's what she said!! [22:41] it should also have linux 4.3 [23:03] as someone who hasn't really tracked Ubuntu, but runs a lot of Debian, what's most exciting? [23:03] zfs? [23:54] i don't think anything is particularly exciting other than being systemd, with recent userland. [23:55] trusty isn't terrible. [23:55] and you can use zfs on ubuntu trusty with external zfs stuff anyway [23:56] i think i'm most excited about having new zsh version :) [23:57] the new zsh version means you can cut and paste things into a shell and it doesn't have implicit enter - you press enter to push it all through