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[02:54] <up_the_irons> brycec: I thought it looked like a prison too, when I was there
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[09:16] <brycec> data prison \o/
[09:36] <ben3> i get to be #3 now
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[09:36] <brycec> return -ETOOMANY;
[09:36] <mercutio> oh brycec cloudflare peering is up
[09:37] <brycec> Ooooh nifty
[09:37] <brycec> Looks like arp->any2ix.coresite.com
[09:37] <mercutio> yeah
[09:38] <mercutio> any2ix is peering exchange
[09:38] <brycec> Right. Such a short, sexy route
[09:38] <brycec> There were more ARP hops than anything else
[09:39] <brycec> 174.136.103.129 s7.lax.arpnetworks.com r1.lax.arpnetworks.com any2ix.coresite.com 104.27.134.131(dst)
[09:39] <mercutio> heh i have one less hop from home
[09:40] <mercutio> the path back should actually be one hop less
[09:40] <brycec> IPv6 is still even shorter :)
[09:40] <brycec> Heh not that mtr shows that
[10:20] <up_the_irons> "short, sexy route" LOL
[10:33] <mercutio> wow cloudflare has a lot of servers in china
[10:34] <mercutio> more locations than they have in the US
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[10:45] <brycec> more locations for more people? (population)
[10:48] <mercutio> yeah it must be popular there :)
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[13:18] <mnathani_> so, the new ARP datacenter is going to reside in a prison?
[13:32] <mercutio> https://twitter.com/arpnetworks/status/664435444847874048
[13:32] <BryceBot> TWITTER: Got a free beer at Data Center World Frankfurt 2015 Expo. Kostenloses Bier?! #dcwf2015 https://t.co/t5fDqcS98j (Wed Nov 11 13:32:09 +0000 2015)
[13:32] <mercutio> maybe it'll go somewhere else?
[19:55] <milki> prisons are probably cheap. land value tends to be much lower
[19:55] <mercutio> yeah i bet the land where arp is at is worth a lot.
[20:42] <RandalSchwartz> so... I have a karma go hotspot.  They allow "guests" to get 100MB free if they submit contact info, and then I get 100MB free when that happens.  They determine if it's a new "guest" by Mac address.  I think you can see where this is going.
[20:43] <RandalSchwartz> I'll never pay for network access again!
[20:43] <RandalSchwartz> and it uses sprint, 3g, 4g, lte, which has a pretty solid coverage in the US.
[20:48] <mercutio> 100mb won't last long
[20:50] <RandalSchwartz> no, but then I type "newmac" and repeat.
[20:50] <RandalSchwartz> I get 100mb as the fake user, and 100mb is added to my "legit" account.
[20:52] <RandalSchwartz> so if I don't mind being interrupted, I stay as a series of "guests"
[20:52] <RandalSchwartz> but if I need continuity I log in as "me"
[20:53] <RandalSchwartz> I've been thinking through how they could block this, and I don't think they can.
[20:53] <RandalSchwartz> except maybe round-trip confirmation of the email addresses I use as a guest.
[20:54] <RandalSchwartz> or cookies.  both of which are defeatable.
[20:55] <brycec> That's roughly 28 zettabytes!
[20:55] <brycec> And if that rolls over daily, HOOOBOY!
[20:56] <RandalSchwartz> I'm not sure how the hotspot stores MACs
[20:56] <RandalSchwartz> I presume it's some sort of LRU cache
[20:56] <brycec> Well even if it's 28ZB lifetime usage, you're doing pretty good
[20:56] <RandalSchwartz> heh
[20:58] <RandalSchwartz> I keep wondering if the Karma people will block this, but I don't think it's possible as long as they offer these passwordless hotspots to do lead generation
[21:02] <RandalSchwartz> Ok.. just rolled over from one guest to another.  Easy peasy.
[21:03] <RandalSchwartz> and now my "legit" user got another 100MB.
[21:03] <RandalSchwartz> and another @example.com address added to their lead database. :)
[21:09] <mercutio> it seems abusive to me
[21:10] <RandalSchwartz> abusing them?
[21:10] <mercutio> yes
[21:11] <mercutio> maybe it's a fixed table and you'll overload it :)
[21:11] <RandalSchwartz> heh
[21:11] <RandalSchwartz> yeah, I fully expect them to work this out eventually
[21:11] <RandalSchwartz> but I don't know how they will.
[21:11] <mercutio> and they'll be like why do all these users keep going to www.randalschwartz.com
[21:11] <RandalSchwartz> I never go there, so there. :)
[21:11] <mercutio> oh stonehenge.com :)
[21:11] <mercutio> i googled after heh
[21:12] <RandalSchwartz> but the pattern of my accesses might be a clue.
[21:12] <RandalSchwartz> but that'd require a lot more data for the "guests"
[21:12] <mercutio> there used to be phone numbers going around the place that when you rung them you'd get a dial tone in a different city
[21:13] <mercutio> you could say it's just a phone number, but abusing it is probably strictly speaking still illegal
[21:13] <mercutio> you'd think they'd have a password or something at least :)
[21:13] <mercutio> they're probably not around anymore
[21:13] <mercutio> people used to just ring all the phone numbers in an area code to see what was at the other end
[21:21] <mercutio> hmm php7 coming out tomorrow
[21:24] <brycec>  Oh I didn't realize that every new mac resulted in a total of 200MB of data, so that's 56ZB :D (feels weird to see ZB as a unit)
[21:25] <RandalSchwartz> heh
[21:25] <brycec> I'm a bit surprised you aren't tunneling/VPNing though, if for no other reason than to alleviate interrupted connections.
[21:26] <brycec> I mean sure ARP doesn't give you 56ZB/month of bandwidth :/
[21:26] <mercutio> the internet won't go faster enough to download that much anyway
[21:26] <RandalSchwartz> the login process after "newmac" has a pretty long cycle time.
[21:26] <brycec> mercutio: yeah, 21PB/s
[21:27] <mercutio> 21PB/sec?
[21:27] <mercutio> what
[21:27] * brycec was just figuring that
[21:27] <mercutio> i bet he's lucky if he gets 20 megabit
[21:27] <brycec> That's how fast you'd need to go to use 56ZB/month
[21:27] * mercutio doesn't bet too much just in case
[21:27] <brycec> I bet my life savings RandalSchwartz doesn't get 21PB/s through his hotspot
[21:28] <brycec> What *are* the fastest interlink speeds commonly used, 40gbps?
[21:29] <brycec> my mind is going numb figuring these astronomical numbers
[21:29] <RandalSchwartz> heh
[21:29] <RandalSchwartz> not at 5 megabit down/up
[21:30] <brycec> (it would take 50 days to transfer 21PB over a 40gbps link, that's... nowhere near reaching 56ZB/month)
[21:30] <RandalSchwartz> I'm back on my "legit" user, after having used 4 guest users
[21:30] <mercutio> brycec: that's assuming you have hosts you can download at that speed from, and storage speed to save the data.
[21:31] <mercutio> oh, have you guys ever tried dslreports for speed test?
[21:31] <mercutio> it shows buffer bloat etc. and doesn't require flash like speedtest.net
[21:31] <brycec> pr0n hosts are usually pretty well set for storage and transit...
[21:31] <brycec> I have not
[21:31] <mercutio> i have minimal download buffer bloat, but 270 msec up
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