[00:56] hmm, if anyone is bored and has a Mac - fire up Keychain Access and see if you've got a cert in the login keychain for MITLL - trying to figure out where one of my Macs picked it up [00:57] I do not [00:58] @ JC_Denton [00:58] ty [03:28] *** jpalmer has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [03:28] *** grody has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [03:29] *** dwarren has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [05:49] i'm kind of excited about openbsd's tame. [05:50] the next release is probably the third one i've been interested in, pf, vio, and tame :) [09:37] *** grody has joined #arpnetworks [09:38] not that i noticed this before, but im impressed with windows 10 now more than ever [09:38] just realised the last couple it upgraded, were dual booters [09:38] and it never touched grub/bootloader [09:39] xp to 7 did, 7 to 8 did.. 7 to 10, no, 8 to 10 no [09:40] more impressed with windows 10 than with screen right now [09:40] think i've boned it with my irssi (trying to have a better nicklist) [09:53] haha [10:10] To be fair, you're using screen ;) (This jab at screen brought to you by tmux) [10:13] touche [10:14] however, the plugin doesn't seem to work with tmux [10:14] (nor with screen atm so laughs on me) [11:24] hahahha [11:49] s/screen/irssi/ | s/tmux/weechat/ [11:49] (nor with irssi atm so laughs on me) [11:49] ftf-myself [11:49] dammit [11:50] If you just used weechat, you wouldn't need such tomfoolery [11:55] brycec: Hahah ("This jab at screen brought to you by...") [11:55] <-- fan of those potshots [11:55] I've noticed [11:55] :D [11:56] Anyhow, look ma, no tomfoolery https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3167967/screenshot_2015-08-31_11-53-49.png [11:58] certified tomfoolery-free [11:58] mercutio: I'm also excited by tame. While I'm a FreeBSD user, I would expect quality ideas to leak between the *BSDs like memory on a Windows box [11:59] except for the duplicates: m0unds m0unds_, mnathani mnathani_ [11:59] i ain't no duplicate, son [11:59] ^ what he said [12:04] Good thing I already took the screenshot, because oh look at that tomfoolery right there ^ [12:08] NO TOMFOOLERY, MISTER [12:08] it's two distinct m0undses [12:47] kellytk: it can take a while. [12:47] has freebsd's pf been rebased yet? [12:48] The pf(4) interface default hash has been changed from Jenkins to Murmur3, providing a 3-percent performance increase in packets-per-second. [r274486] [12:48] that seems to be all 10.2 is saying. [12:50] grody: i've had issues with windows 10 removing my arch linux from bootup [12:50] multiple times over. i haven't fixed it in a while. [12:50] need to boot usb stick to fix it. [15:06] brycec: what did you mean when you said "except for the duplicates: m0unds m0unds_, mnathani mnathani_" [15:07] mnathani_: I was referring to the fact there are "duplicate" users in here (and then listed a couple) [15:07] and the context was that duplicates are tomfoolery [15:08] I had claimed my screenshot contained none, except for the duplicates [15:08] @google tomfoolery [15:08] 160,000 total results returned for 'tomfoolery', here's 3 [15:08] Tom Foolery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Foolery) Tomfoolery is a musical revue based on lyrics and music that American mathematician, songwriter, and satirist Tom Lehrer first performed in the 1950s and ... [15:08] Urban Dictionary: tomfoolery (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tomfoolery) Tom Foolery. Wreaking Havoc/causing general chaos/shennanigans, taking the piss, etc... Boy that old Elvis he does nothing but Tom Foolery anymore, I tell you ... [15:08] The Tomfoolery Show - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tomfoolery_Show) The Tomfoolery Show is an American cartoon comedy television series made and first broadcast in 1970, based on the works of Edward Lear. The animation ... [15:08] @ud tomfoolery [15:08] tomfoolery: Wreaking Havoc/causing general chaos/shennanigans, taking the piss, etc... <2007-09-23T00:00:00+00:00> Example: "Boy that old Elvis he does nothing but Tom Foolery anymore, I tell you what..." [15:08] tomfoolery = up to no good ? [15:08] shenanigans [15:08] Is this an alien word to you? [15:08] it is [15:08] tomfoolery [15:08] not shenanigans [15:09] TIL. [15:09] http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tomfoolery "playful or foolish behavior" [15:09] i'd go with that definition [15:15] brycec: thanks [15:15] np [15:16] apparently there are more internet cable cuts in SF [15:16] the earlier ones seemed to be sabotage [15:16] i wonder if this is too [15:17] the internet tells me it's affecting both comcast and level3 at least. [15:32] TOMFOOLERY [15:33] IN SF [16:10] foolish - yes, playful - no [16:15] openbsd is diong their own hypervisor [16:15] as if there weren't enough hypervisors :) [16:48] http://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150831183826 [16:53] yeah that's the one [17:14] It's not exactly "their own" as much as "implementing support for virtualisation." Yes, it can/will work similar to bhyve, but the goal is to eventually serve as the backend "driver" to tools like qemu. So really, the way I see it, they're just working on the host OS drivers same as VirtualBox sits upon their own host OS drivers, and soon enough you'll be able to run qemu with native host virt. [17:15] (The distinction I'm trying to make is "drivers for qemu" vs "yet another virt") [17:25] isn't that where bhyve is at too? [17:25] the core virtualisation stuff is anew [17:25] it's legacy support that they may consider using qemu for [17:25] it would be nice to see alternatives for qemu [17:25] preferable plugin replacements [17:26] err for the intel device support parts of qemu [17:26] rather than all qemu's cpu support for soft emulation of heaps of architectures [22:00] mercutio: re FBSD's pf, word has it "ipfw w/ compiled rules is almost done" [22:01] that's not pf? [22:01] I take that to mean active development is focused on ipfw, not pf [on FBSD] [22:01] That actually didn't make a lot of sense. I'm trying to inform a pal of the news while answer your question from earlier [22:02] :-P [22:03] Sorry, answering [22:09] mnathani_: Thanks for the link, that's interesting. "nested virtualization" is a feature I'd like from bhyve (along with 0-overhead nested ZFS) [23:02] That's my understanding as well - FreeBSD wants to move back to their own in-hosue firewall, back to ipfw. [23:22] why's taht? [23:22] solaris, dragonfly, os x are all goind pf [23:22] Pride, I guess? *shrug* [23:25] The opinion as I heard it was that they each have their strengths, and "ipfw dummynet is very useful" [23:27] I appreciate competition, however part of me can't help but wonder if a consolidated BSD firewall effort wouldn't yield the best results [23:29] i think the netbsd offering was ok [23:29] but the main problems with openbsd's pf tend to be with smp support afaik [23:30] and from what i understand now openbsd is moving to smp [23:30] and with solaris, os x, etc there could be some shared development [23:30] Do you know if they are importing the pf SMP work from FBSD? [23:30] on that note, what happened to openssh on windows? [23:30] i doubt it [23:30] freebsd code is terrible [23:31] kellytk: They're developing it themselves [23:31] Not to say they won't take inspiration from other sources, but they're definitely doing their own. [23:31] there's a reason dragonflybsd forked freebsd [23:31] it was all starting to go more and more down hill [23:31] of course some people probably think the opposite [23:31] Is this post-5.x? [23:32] dragonfly forked at 4 [23:32] kellytk: yes, it's not released yet [23:32] dfly's been around since FreeBSD 4.x?? [23:32] Ok I recall that. There were real issues for a number of years [23:32] oh openbsd wise [23:32] That doesn't sound right. [23:32] openbsd doesn't do 4.0/5.0 etc [23:32] they just count from 0 to 9 [23:32] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/30/nvidia_reveals_gpus_for_blade_servers_linux_desktop_support/ [23:32] and increment the number at each step [23:32] Title: "NVIDIA reveals GPUs for blade servers, Linux desktop support • The Register" [23:32] nvidia gpu in a linux blade server [23:32] on 6 monthly cycle [23:32] although this year it's coming early [23:33] cos 20 year anniversary [23:33] but only slightly [23:33] yeh it's like 2 weeks [23:33] i wonder what's happening to intel's massively multicore cpuish thing [23:34] MIC [23:34] xeon phi etc [23:34] i remember HP talking about something [23:34] like a cube that has crazy amuont of power and low resource usage [23:34] i'm actually still wondering if someone other than miktrotik are going to use those fancy cpu's [23:34] the cpu architecture sounded intersting. [23:35] but routeros doesn't seem to be that well optimised for it [23:35] err tile [23:35] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilera [23:35] Tilera :: Tilera Corporation is a fabless semiconductor company focusing on scalable multicore embedded processor design. The company ships multiple processors, including the TILE64, TILEPro64, and the TILEPro36, TILE-Gx72, TILE-Gx36, TILE-Gx16 and TILE-Gx9. History In 1990, Anant Agarwal led a team of researchers at Massachusetts Institute of Technology to develop scalable multi-processor system built out of large numbers... [23:37] from what i could understand about it it's pretty good for scalable network things etc [23:37] being able to shift bits of processing between cores quickly [23:37] but trying to act like a fast single core cpu doesn't work that well [23:37] would just need to have software to use the potential i guess [23:38] well it only seems routeros is doing easily available software [23:38] well software/hardware [23:38] but there's native linux support afiak [23:38] like mainline [23:39] ahh looks like they're going down the sdn path [23:39] not the worst idea