[01:02] *** rVn has quit IRC () [04:20] mercutio, im guessing - but it's curious the varying pattern pinging first IP (gateway) and not when crossing out of the network [04:21] never used to pay this much attention to network stats mind, munin always did what i needed - just curious seeing subtleness and trying to figure it out [04:24] my best guess is in the local pings, during those times load incraases on the virtual host which effects it's ability to process and reply (albeit only a mere couple ms) but doesn't effect what passes via it, since it only has to forward [04:24] affects* [07:33] \o/ [07:33] hihi [12:07] *** Guest38723 is now known as pjs [13:39] *** m0unds_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [15:32] oh fun, now there's a bittorrent ddos attack apparently [15:40] mercutio: link? [15:42] http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/08/how-bittorrent-could-let-lone-ddos-attackers-bring-down-big-sites/ [15:42] Ars Technica: "How BitTorrent could let lone DDoS attackers bring down big sites" [15:45] yeah mainstream news :) [15:49] heh, doesn't BT unintentionally ddos peoples shitty home routers anyway? [15:51] not the reflective type of thing, just by nature of the fact that it takes tons of connections for it to work [15:51] haha [15:51] haha [15:52] from packet loss/congestion? [15:52] from thousands of inbound connections [15:52] can kill old stuff pretty handily [15:52] that hasn't been an issue for modems newer than like 5 years [15:52] err less than 5 years old [15:52] not for modems maybe [15:53] it used to be a problem when modems hardly had any ram [15:53] now they seem to have way more than they need [15:53] i know several people who insist on keeping 10 year old ancient linksys devices [15:53] and will die under load of BT traffic [15:53] yeah that could be an issue [15:53] that's more what i was talking about [15:53] they don't usually die [15:53] just stop accepting new connections [15:53] just congest til they stop responding [15:53] my vdsl modem has 128mb of ram [15:53] i haven't seen congesting really [15:54] i've seen web interfaces that stop working under tight ram [15:54] and you can't use the web ui any more but it passes traffic fine [15:54] (even without bittorrent) [15:54] also i managed to screw up a modem with web browsing once. [15:54] err.. benchmarking web page loading [15:54] that's awful [15:54] i used to benchmark like 20 pages [15:54] or something [15:55] but yeah it was kind of annoying when i fuond some connections would stop working if you benchmarked them [15:55] that's not even like 10,000 requests at once or anything [15:56] it's sequential load 1 page at a time in chrome [15:56] so if you clicked around a lot you could emulate such behaviour [15:59] but yeah this bittorrent thing could be bad if utp really is vulnerable to reflection attacks [15:59] can't wait [16:01] it may mean people start rate limiting uttp [16:01] utp [16:02] utp is pretty easy to spot [16:56] apparently there's a new android 6 out [16:57] seems most things still aren't updated to 5 [17:26] it's just in preview, iirc [17:26] i don't really know why they're calling it 6, since it doesn't really add much to 5.x except granular permissions [17:27] ah, sdk was released and the final preview build of it [17:28] i already had the preview sdk on my laptop to test some stuff [17:30] ahh ok, frist i'd herad of it [17:31] thought it seemed a bit quick [17:31] they were referring to it as "M" before, fwiw [17:31] most thought it was going to be a point release like kitkat or jellybean on ICS [18:16] i wonder if anything uses sctp, there's been a few issues in linux with it over time [19:00] it seems to me things like sctp shouldn't be enabled by default [19:12] haven't thought about stcp in a long time [19:12] apparently it's broken on some routers too [19:13] i mean lots of home routers / nat situations [19:13] yeah there's just a new kernel crash bug in linux or something [19:15] http://www.ebay.com/itm/Refurbished-Nokia-3310-UNLOCKED-Phone-with-Battery-Charger-warranty-3210-/131507529099?hash=item1e9e75a58b [19:18] ah [19:18] sweet deal [19:18] dual band, oh boy [19:18] i bet that won't work anywhere in the us anymore [19:18] unless there's some random pocket of tdma somewhere [19:18] oh? [19:19] it's not tdma i think [19:19] i think it's gsm [19:19] oh, gsm [19:19] 900/180 [19:19] 1800 [19:19] we use 850 and 900 here [19:19] hm, dunno who owns those bands here [19:19] we use lots here [19:19] 1800 is normally an in-fill frequency [19:19] at&t uses 850/1900, tmo uses 1700/1900, vzw uses 800 [19:19] i think you use like 700ish as well [19:19] not counting lte [19:19] yes [19:19] for lte [19:19] and it's divvied up into chunks for that too [19:20] t-mobile probably uses low frequenc ytoo [19:20] i use 900 normally [19:20] they use it for lte [19:20] they don't have any other national licenses [19:20] except pcs [19:20] and 1700 [19:20] oh wow [19:20] aws [19:20] it relaly looks like you don't use 900 mhz [19:20] yeah, tmo sucks the dog in lots of places [19:21] horrible outside metro areas, i think in part because pcs propagation sucks [19:21] needs cell density to work well [19:21] i assumed they'd have a low frequency too [19:21] 4g/te isn't usually used for voice calls [19:21] block a 700MHz for LTE [19:21] that's it [19:22] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_US#Radio_frequency_spectrum_chart [19:22] T-Mobile US :: T-Mobile US, Inc. is a wireless network operator in the United States and the German telecommunications company Deutsche Telekom (DT) is a majority shareholder. Its headquarters are located in Bellevue, Washington. T-Mobile US provides wireless voice, messaging, and data services in the United States, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands under the T-Mobile, MetroPCS and GoSmart Mobile brands. The company operates the... [19:22] really LTE is "the future" [19:22] even their acquisition of metropcs didn't really do anything but give them 1900mhz licenses in markets where they ran out of room [19:22] yep [19:22] and voice should go on it too [19:23] but these things move slowly [19:23] it will, it does here to a limited extent [19:23] and using high frequencies in less metro areas sucks [19:23] yeah, that's why tmo is kind of bad in lots of rural areas, lots of road in between cities/towns in the US [19:23] they only cover like 1/8th of my state natively [19:24] well, last i checked anyway [19:24] they rely on at&t a lot for partner covg [19:24] oh 900 mhz is used for personal radio stuff in the US? [19:24] yeah, lots of stuff in that neighborhood [19:24] similar to 2.4 ghz [19:24] some bands in 800mhz range were used for public safety radios, which is part of why sprint had to decommission iden [19:24] iden was neat for the time, i liked my nextel phones [19:25] my battery life has been shit since android 5 [19:25] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nextel_Communications [19:25] Nextel Communications :: Nextel Communications, Inc. was a wireless service operator that merged with and continues to exist as a wholly owned subsidiary of Sprint Corporation. Nextel mobile communications in countries like Argentina, Brazil, and Mexico, are part of NII Holdings, a stand-alone, publicly traded company that is not owned by Sprint Corporation. Nextel Communications traces its roots to the 1987 foundation of FleetCall by Morgan... [19:25] yea, most people seemed to notice a 20-30% battery life decrease w/5.x [19:25] ithought it was meant to improve it [19:26] yea, there was a lot of buzz about it but in true google fashion it didn't really deliver on that promise [19:26] project volta etc [19:27] overall i'm not really impressed for phones [19:27] the only real useful feature i've found is that now flashlight is in my pull down screen [19:28] i like being able to pull down just notifications without quick toggles, then pull down again for quick toggles [19:28] or pull down on the right side of my screen and go straight to quick toggles [19:28] oh yip [19:28] all minor stuff [19:28] yeah, quality of life [19:28] That's what she said!! [19:28] except battery [19:28] BryceBot: no [19:28] Oh, okay... I'm sorry. 'yeah, quality of life' [19:28] the battery thing is big [19:28] i like the design better, it looks nicer [19:29] with a black screen? [19:29] i mean ux design is nicer [19:29] i know :) [19:29] doesn't really help if the phone is flat though [19:30] the notifications are nicer [19:30] stuff moves faster i think, seems like framerate is steadier [19:30] see a lot less hitching although it's nowhere near as smooth as ios or windows mobile/phone [19:30] i don't notice a diff [19:31] it still takes a while to boot too [19:31] yea, my lumia boots probably twice as fast and its soc is from 2012 [19:31] and it's also on win10, which boots slower than wp8 [19:32] hahaha [19:32] (debug/log all the things) [19:32] looks to be about 50 seconds boot time [19:32] although it's a bit smoother when logging in straight after booting than i seem to recall [19:44] yea, part of that might be because of precompiled stuff vs jit on older android [19:45] since apps compile at install vs at runtime [19:54] ahh yeh