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| grody | mercutio, im guessing - but it's curious the varying pattern pinging first IP (gateway) and not when crossing out of the network
never used to pay this much attention to network stats mind, munin always did what i needed - just curious seeing subtleness and trying to figure it out my best guess is in the local pings, during those times load incraases on the virtual host which effects it's ability to process and reply (albeit only a mere couple ms) but doesn't effect what passes via it, since it only has to forward affects* | [04:20] |
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| qbit | o/
hihi | [07:33] |
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| mercutio | oh fun, now there's a bittorrent ddos attack apparently | [15:32] |
| mnathani_ | mercutio: link? | [15:40] |
| mercutio | http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/08/how-bittorrent-could-let-lone-ddos-attackers-bring-down-big-sites/ | [15:42] |
| BryceBot | Ars Technica: "How BitTorrent could let lone DDoS attackers bring down big sites" | [15:42] |
| mercutio | yeah mainstream news :) | [15:45] |
| m0unds | heh, doesn't BT unintentionally ddos peoples shitty home routers anyway?
not the reflective type of thing, just by nature of the fact that it takes tons of connections for it to work haha | [15:49] |
| mercutio | haha
from packet loss/congestion? | [15:51] |
| m0unds | from thousands of inbound connections
can kill old stuff pretty handily | [15:52] |
| mercutio | that hasn't been an issue for modems newer than like 5 years
err less than 5 years old | [15:52] |
| m0unds | not for modems maybe | [15:52] |
| mercutio | it used to be a problem when modems hardly had any ram
now they seem to have way more than they need | [15:53] |
| m0unds | i know several people who insist on keeping 10 year old ancient linksys devices
and will die under load of BT traffic | [15:53] |
| mercutio | yeah that could be an issue | [15:53] |
| m0unds | that's more what i was talking about | [15:53] |
| mercutio | they don't usually die
just stop accepting new connections | [15:53] |
| m0unds | just congest til they stop responding | [15:53] |
| mercutio | my vdsl modem has 128mb of ram
i haven't seen congesting really i've seen web interfaces that stop working under tight ram and you can't use the web ui any more but it passes traffic fine (even without bittorrent) also i managed to screw up a modem with web browsing once. err.. benchmarking web page loading | [15:53] |
| m0unds | that's awful | [15:54] |
| mercutio | i used to benchmark like 20 pages
or something but yeah it was kind of annoying when i fuond some connections would stop working if you benchmarked them that's not even like 10,000 requests at once or anything it's sequential load 1 page at a time in chrome so if you clicked around a lot you could emulate such behaviour but yeah this bittorrent thing could be bad if utp really is vulnerable to reflection attacks | [15:54] |
| m0unds | can't wait | [15:59] |
| mercutio | it may mean people start rate limiting uttp
utp utp is pretty easy to spot | [16:01] |
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| apparently there's a new android 6 out
seems most things still aren't updated to 5 | [16:56] | |
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| m0unds | it's just in preview, iirc
i don't really know why they're calling it 6, since it doesn't really add much to 5.x except granular permissions ah, sdk was released and the final preview build of it i already had the preview sdk on my laptop to test some stuff | [17:26] |
| mercutio | ahh ok, frist i'd herad of it
thought it seemed a bit quick | [17:30] |
| m0unds | they were referring to it as "M" before, fwiw
most thought it was going to be a point release like kitkat or jellybean on ICS | [17:31] |
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| mercutio | i wonder if anything uses sctp, there's been a few issues in linux with it over time | [18:16] |
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| it seems to me things like sctp shouldn't be enabled by default | [19:00] | |
| m0unds | haven't thought about stcp in a long time | [19:12] |
| mercutio | apparently it's broken on some routers too
i mean lots of home routers / nat situations yeah there's just a new kernel crash bug in linux or something http://www.ebay.com/itm/Refurbished-Nokia-3310-UNLOCKED-Phone-with-Battery-Charger-warranty-3210-/131507529099?hash=item1e9e75a58b | [19:12] |
| m0unds | ah
sweet deal dual band, oh boy i bet that won't work anywhere in the us anymore unless there's some random pocket of tdma somewhere | [19:18] |
| mercutio | oh?
it's not tdma i think i think it's gsm | [19:18] |
| m0unds | oh, gsm | [19:19] |
| mercutio | 900/180
1800 we use 850 and 900 here | [19:19] |
| m0unds | hm, dunno who owns those bands here
we use lots here | [19:19] |
| mercutio | 1800 is normally an in-fill frequency | [19:19] |
| m0unds | at&t uses 850/1900, tmo uses 1700/1900, vzw uses 800 | [19:19] |
| mercutio | i think you use like 700ish as well | [19:19] |
| m0unds | not counting lte
yes for lte and it's divvied up into chunks for that too | [19:19] |
| mercutio | t-mobile probably uses low frequenc ytoo
i use 900 normally | [19:20] |
| m0unds | they use it for lte
they don't have any other national licenses except pcs and 1700 | [19:20] |
| mercutio | oh wow | [19:20] |
| m0unds | aws | [19:20] |
| mercutio | it relaly looks like you don't use 900 mhz | [19:20] |
| m0unds | yeah, tmo sucks the dog in lots of places
horrible outside metro areas, i think in part because pcs propagation sucks needs cell density to work well | [19:20] |
| mercutio | i assumed they'd have a low frequency too
4g/te isn't usually used for voice calls | [19:21] |
| m0unds | block a 700MHz for LTE
that's it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_US#Radio_frequency_spectrum_chart | [19:21] |
| BryceBot | T-Mobile US :: T-Mobile US, Inc. is a wireless network operator in the United States and the German telecommunications company Deutsche Telekom (DT) is a majority shareholder. Its headquarters are located in Bellevue, Washington. T-Mobile US provides wireless voice, messaging, and data services in the United States, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands under the T-Mobile, MetroPCS and GoSmart Mobile brands. The company operates the... | [19:22] |
| mercutio | really LTE is "the future" | [19:22] |
| m0unds | even their acquisition of metropcs didn't really do anything but give them 1900mhz licenses in markets where they ran out of room
yep | [19:22] |
| mercutio | and voice should go on it too
but these things move slowly | [19:22] |
| m0unds | it will, it does here to a limited extent | [19:23] |
| mercutio | and using high frequencies in less metro areas sucks | [19:23] |
| m0unds | yeah, that's why tmo is kind of bad in lots of rural areas, lots of road in between cities/towns in the US
they only cover like 1/8th of my state natively well, last i checked anyway they rely on at&t a lot for partner covg | [19:23] |
| mercutio | oh 900 mhz is used for personal radio stuff in the US? | [19:24] |
| m0unds | yeah, lots of stuff in that neighborhood | [19:24] |
| mercutio | similar to 2.4 ghz | [19:24] |
| m0unds | some bands in 800mhz range were used for public safety radios, which is part of why sprint had to decommission iden
iden was neat for the time, i liked my nextel phones | [19:24] |
| mercutio | my battery life has been shit since android 5 | [19:25] |
| m0unds | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nextel_Communications | [19:25] |
| BryceBot | Nextel Communications :: Nextel Communications, Inc. was a wireless service operator that merged with and continues to exist as a wholly owned subsidiary of Sprint Corporation. Nextel mobile communications in countries like Argentina, Brazil, and Mexico, are part of NII Holdings, a stand-alone, publicly traded company that is not owned by Sprint Corporation. Nextel Communications traces its roots to the 1987 foundation of FleetCall by Morgan... | [19:25] |
| m0unds | yea, most people seemed to notice a 20-30% battery life decrease w/5.x | [19:25] |
| mercutio | ithought it was meant to improve it | [19:25] |
| m0unds | yea, there was a lot of buzz about it but in true google fashion it didn't really deliver on that promise
project volta etc | [19:26] |
| mercutio | overall i'm not really impressed for phones
the only real useful feature i've found is that now flashlight is in my pull down screen | [19:27] |
| m0unds | i like being able to pull down just notifications without quick toggles, then pull down again for quick toggles
or pull down on the right side of my screen and go straight to quick toggles | [19:28] |
| mercutio | oh yip
all minor stuff | [19:28] |
| m0unds | yeah, quality of life | [19:28] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [19:28] |
| m0unds | except battery
BryceBot: no | [19:28] |
| BryceBot | Oh, okay... I'm sorry. 'yeah, quality of life' | [19:28] |
| mercutio | the battery thing is big | [19:28] |
| m0unds | i like the design better, it looks nicer | [19:28] |
| mercutio | with a black screen? | [19:29] |
| m0unds | i mean ux design is nicer | [19:29] |
| mercutio | i know :)
doesn't really help if the phone is flat though the notifications are nicer | [19:29] |
| m0unds | stuff moves faster i think, seems like framerate is steadier
see a lot less hitching although it's nowhere near as smooth as ios or windows mobile/phone | [19:30] |
| mercutio | i don't notice a diff
it still takes a while to boot too | [19:30] |
| m0unds | yea, my lumia boots probably twice as fast and its soc is from 2012
and it's also on win10, which boots slower than wp8 hahaha (debug/log all the things) | [19:31] |
| mercutio | looks to be about 50 seconds boot time
although it's a bit smoother when logging in straight after booting than i seem to recall | [19:32] |
| m0unds | yea, part of that might be because of precompiled stuff vs jit on older android
since apps compile at install vs at runtime | [19:44] |
| mercutio | ahh yeh | [19:54] |
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