#arpnetworks/ 2015-08-11,Tue

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kellytkhttps://lobste.rs/bbs love it [00:30]
mercutioaha
does it have telnet
it does!
but it doesn't support normal codepage
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mnathani_Tiny Tiny RSS: There’s no warranty. If it breaks you get to keep both parts.
lol
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m0undshahaha [13:34]
mnathani_Instructions on how to install are not very friendly
but I am intrigued
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mercutiorss isn't very friendly in general is it? [16:40]
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mnathani_Google Reader made it friendly
RIP Google Reader
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kellytkmercutio: I made an app that supports RSS. It was OK to work with, however there are several variants that complicate implementation
JSON is my favorite content layer format
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mercutiowhen i looked at rss, it seemed inconsistent
with multiple variants.
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qg_anybody got recommendations for offshore, anonymous VPS services? [19:14]
mnathani_qg_ need to be a bit more specific there, off which shore? [19:15]
qg_true
off US
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brycecMaybe off all shores?
Find a nice oil rig in int'l waters
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mnathani_satelite internet ok? [19:16]
brycecThough the Internet connections to those is less than desireable [19:16]
mnathani_not going to be doing anything malicious are we with our anonymous, off shore vps? [19:17]
qg_looking for privacy for some connections [19:17]
mnathani_perhaps what you need is a VPN service? [19:18]
qg_I'd prefer a shell [19:18]
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mercutioif you're paranoid about privacy a remote shell is less secure from the pov of government monitoring or whatever
i'm not really sure what you're after though
what's anonymous vps service mean anyway?
paypal etc has audit logs
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qg_how is a remote shell less secure? [19:41]
mercutiointerception
insecure memory
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qg_how? [19:42]
mercutiowellt he provider can intercept all of your memory
i know of no os that uses secure memory
err encrypted memory
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qg_if you're going to pay the provider for the service you probably trust them as well [19:42]
mercutioso in theory, while a vm is running a provider cna look at memory contents of your vm
but they can still get a court order that allows the government to take over theri servers.
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qg_I didn't say I wanted to provide content [19:42]
mercutioi don't know how far your'e going :) [19:43]
qg_some countries don't [19:43]
mercutioeven countries like sweden do
but yeah, i figure anonymous/off shore leads to being an activist or something
and being paranoid
feel free to say you don't need to go that far :)
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qg_Iceland, Norway, Netherlands are all privacy centric [19:44]
mercutioin theory
they're still at risk
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qg_less so, than other countries. So looking to reduce risk [19:45]
mercutiowell any international provider may have control panel in another country too
and if you want to stay anonymous you'd have to use tor or something to access it.
it all sounds complicated to me
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mike-burnsI don't think of the Nordics as privacy-centric. Are they? [20:00]
mercutiothey have more consumer-protection
less government survelience.
but yeah overall they are compared to other places.
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mike-burnsI know that Sweden has a ton of govt survelience. But true: the EU's consumer proection is nice. [20:02]
mercutiocompared to the US? [20:03]
mike-burnsAbout the same. [20:03]
mercutiointeresting.
survelience in NZ is hardly talked about.
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mike-burnsSweden's version of the NSA is called FRA.
They don't have as much money as the NSA, but they also spy on a fraction of the people.
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mercutiooh he's gone anyway
i don't know what he was really after.
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mike-burnsOh well.
Seems like they wanted a proxy to hack the Gibson from.
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mercutiofrom their comcast net :) [20:06]
mike-burnsHa. [20:06]
mercutiocomcast would give away their details quickly [20:06]
m0undsdepending on what they did
i couldn't just call in and ask them for details
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mercutioyou don't know until you try it
the question is whether they ask for a warrant or not from law enforcement
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m0undsand the same uncertainty could be applied to just about any isp [20:18]
mercutioyeah [20:18]
m0undsundoubtedly, their official process would require a subpoena or to have contact made w/their legal dept to fulfill legitimate leo requests
not some jerk calling in to customer service pretending to be a cop asking for the details about a customer's account with the only identifier being an ip or something
i keep getting annoying stuttering in ssh via ipv6
argh
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mercutiohttp://www.ebay.com/itm/Supermicro-X10SDV-TLN4F-Xeon-D-1540-2-0GHz-8-Core-32GB-DDR4-2x10gbe-2x1gbe-/181826244967?hash=item2a55b05167
i what these xeon d chips are like
m0unds: packet loss?
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m0undsi don't see any
latency is all over the place though
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mercutioahh ok
like 5/10 msec?
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m0unds+/- 25
actually more
varying between 45 and 102
few timeouts here and there
lol wtf. thunderstorm out of nowhere
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mercutiohmm i see much smaller variance m0unds.
best is 0.7 average 7.3, worst 63.5
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mercutioso a little congestion [20:28]
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m0undsyea, guessing it's ntt here
since my return route to comcast from arp is via ntt
and has had congestion issues in LAX before
www.welivesecurity.com/2015/08/11/firefox-under-fire-anatomy-of-latest-0-day-attack/ this is fun
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mercutiomaybe a combination [20:34]
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i thought bitrig was kind of a joke
but they seem to be making quite a lot of progress
they're taking openbsd, and making it work with llvm, gold/lto, and trying to improve smp and add efi support and a few other things.
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BryceBotSTOP ATTACKING GNU SOFTWARE! [22:11]
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mnathani_BryceBot: you are not open source yourself :-) [23:38]
mercutioi don't know what he decided was attacking' [23:43]

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