[01:54] How sensitive are people to servers being pinged? [01:56] Well it varies, but there's a reason ICMP defines an unreachable code 10. (eg netflix01.ring.nlnog.net) [01:59] Would you consider one ping per minute insignificant? [02:00] Probably. But that opinion is not shared by Netflix and their NLNOG node. [02:14] *** nesta has quit IRC (Quit: SIGQUIT) [02:23] mmm [02:47] *** nesta has joined #arpnetworks [03:05] kellytk: it really depends on the server [03:06] i imagine things like google and facebook are pinged a LOT [03:06] I'd think so [03:06] i had cogent block icmp echo tests once [03:07] it was damn annoying, as i was using the host for monitoring [03:07] actuallyi think it was the replies that were blocked, i forget [03:07] but to ip one different it was ok [03:07] it was making no sense at first [03:07] that was with steadfast. [03:08] and yeah nto using steadfast anymore [03:11] the weird thign is that changing the outbound path, where the responses so that it still routed via cogent, but a different cogent router made it work [03:11] i think that's what it was.. it was years ago, and i tcpdumped both ends etc. [03:12] but i assume that some providers do some kind of icmp rate limiting at times. [03:47] If it was cogent it probably wasn't ICMP that was blocked, rather the link was probably down [03:48] Or the packetloss was 80% [03:59] nah [03:59] tcp worked [03:59] just not icmp [03:59] and to an ip one different it was ok [04:02] *** Seju has joined #arpnetworks [04:03] *** SpaceDum1 has joined #arpnetworks [04:03] *** jpalmer_ has joined #arpnetworks [04:07] *** Seji has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [04:07] *** mjp__ has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [04:07] *** SpaceDump has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [04:07] *** daca has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [04:07] *** phlux has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [04:07] *** dne has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [04:07] *** jpalmer has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [04:08] *** daca1 has joined #arpnetworks [04:14] *** dne has joined #arpnetworks [04:15] *** phlux has joined #arpnetworks [08:27] is it this month leap second, or last? [08:27] last month.. few [08:28] mercutio, why i like to use L2TP tunnels .. you can use the LCPs to graph a little more better [08:29] even if it;s just for connection monitoring [08:32] http://imgur.com/DAfpDRI ICMP wrapped in UDP from ARP to my AA in UK [08:33] need to tune RRD to declare 150ms as optimal [09:05] *** phlux has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [09:06] *** phlux has joined #arpnetworks [12:21] *** mnathani has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [12:23] e] [Vomit Face]" [12:23] That's what she said!! [12:23] 18:05 <@fc31> wearing a nappy [12:23] eek [12:23] BryceBot, no [12:23] Oh, okay... I'm sorry. 'e] [Vomit Face]"' [12:23] hate this tablet sometimes [12:24] wasnt even in this channel :-/ [12:38] *** mnathani has joined #arpnetworks [13:08] hahaha [14:40] hotw's that better than smokeping? [16:16] mercutio: so I see another ISP bites the dust [16:17] gizmoguy_: woosh? [16:17] yeah [16:17] did it really bite the dust? [16:17] or are they just dropping customers? [16:17] we'll have like 3 left by the end of the year [16:18] sold all their customers to M4/callplus group [16:18] wow [16:18] http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/m2-buys-wooshs-9000-customers-ck-p-176151 [16:18] that sucks. [16:18] it's paid content gizmo [16:19] i'm not paying $145 for 6 months [16:20] yeah. my work pays :) [16:22] yeh it's cheaper for a business i think [16:22] well per person [16:22] yeah we do have 2000ish employees [16:22] if it was somethign more reasonable i'd consider paying it, as there is some good stuff [16:24] i was never a fan of woosh anyway [16:24] i tried using it once, and it's like isdn speed :/ [16:24] with huge buffer bloat, slow speeds, high ping [16:26] yeah, the network engineer guy there was doing some pretty neat things though [16:26] they just had 0 money [16:28] they had plenty of money i thought [16:28] they were too early probably [16:28] so iw as reading about AU internet the other day [16:28] i been wondering if i should try moving to australia [16:28] as can't afford to buy houses here anyway. [16:28] well singular :/ [16:29] my wife works w/a doctor who's doing some work in NZ somewhere [16:29] but it really seems that australia is far behind nz with regards to internet [16:29] m0unds: how's she working with him if he works in NZ :) [16:29] he lives in the US, has a house in the US, and is temporarily working in NZ [16:29] i might have to find a doctor soon. they're turning smart drugs into prescription only :( [16:30] ahh i see. [16:30] mercutio: australia is sooo bad for internet [16:30] but is in the US right now because the exchange rate is awful and makes 1/3 what he makes in the US in NZ [16:30] mercutio: "smart drugs"? [16:30] gizmoguy_: oxiracetam, noopept [16:30] cognitive enhancing [16:30] mercutio: yip NZD/USD is tanking so bad at the moment ( and it's intentional :( ) [16:30] gizmoguy_: it seems that vdsl in nz is way better than most internet in australia [16:31] the best you can get is like 100/40 on nbn fibre [16:31] which is available hardly anywhere [16:31] but even their cable is capped for upload below 10 megabit [16:32] yea, i think he said it was 1.00 NZ -> .60 US or something [16:32] its' .66 US i think [16:32] 1 nzd to usd [16:32] oops [16:32] @exch 1 nzd to usd [16:32] 1 NZD -> 0.657609196007 USD (as of Sun, 26 Jul 2015 16:01:02 -0700) [16:32] yea, .66 [16:56] is up_the_irons on vacation? [16:56] staticsafe: he's in germany. [16:57] ah [17:22] m0unds: i was looking at house prices in the US recently, and it's so much cheaper there than here. [17:22] actually, california is similar. but florida etc is way way cheaper. [18:09] CA is a joke, price-wise [18:09] way overinflated [18:10] the house i live in here in NM would easily go for $900k+ [18:11] my uncle lived in a crappy 2 bedroom house in san mateo, CA outside of san jose and sold it for almost $700k at the height of the housing boom (~2005 ish) [18:18] *** m0unds_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [18:30] m0unds: it's bad here too [18:30] shitty houses are like $800k [18:30] That's what she said!! [18:31] but most are for auction [18:32] actually this place looks ok for $700k [18:32] http://www.realestate.co.nz/2580952 [18:33] but still seems mediocre at best. [18:35] although i think that house is in the shitty internet area. [18:37] lightning strike nearby tripped all my afci breakers. [18:37] damn [18:38] hear my ups beeping its head off [18:39] san mateo still looks expensive [18:39] i was using santa clara for my california reference. [18:39] yup, might be worse now due to all the derpy startups in bay area [18:40] santa clara doesn't seem that bad [18:40] http://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Santa-Clara-CA/pmf,pf_pt/19553873_zpid/13713_rid/featured_sort/37.464503,-121.615906,37.215018,-122.12883_rect/10_zm/ [18:41] ouch [18:41] if i assume 1 usd = 1 nzd it seems similar pricing to nz. [18:41] but salarys are more like 1 usd = 1 nzd anyway afaik [18:41] mine is twice the size od that, has a bigger lot and is 1/3 that price [18:41] yeh [18:41] well florida is like that for pricing too [18:42] yeah, fl is pretty inexpensive [18:42] yeah i kind of assumed florida would be expensive [18:42] co is more than nm but less than ca [18:42] so i was kind of surprised at the difference [18:42] i was looking in tampa though [18:42] lots of people are moving north to or and wa, and east to az, co and tx from ca [18:43] from what i understand of the US i'd probably rather live in or or wa than az, co, or tx. [18:44] http://panam.cbc.ca/videos/live/video/cbc-pan-american-games-closing-ceremonies.html [18:44] Pitbull is presently performing in Toronto [18:44] it's near impossible for people in nz to move to the us though [18:44] i've got a friend who did, through a multi-national company. [18:44] and even then it took more than one application [18:54] Don't forget Alaska. Nice and cool up there. [18:54] CO isn't terribly hot, but they get snow [18:54] (Not that "lots of people" are moving there. But it's the next area of the world I think I'd like to live) [18:54] Snow++ :D [18:54] yea, i've heard lots of awesome stuff about alaska [18:55] especially if you like doing stuff outside [18:55] my friend's brother is in the USAF as a combat controller and got stationed up there in between deployments [18:55] That's about all there is to do in Anchorage - be outside, do outdoorsy things. [18:55] yeah, that's fine by me [18:55] that's part of why i'm still in NM, because there's stuff to do outside [18:56] if i didn't live here, i'd probably move back to colorado [18:57] Yeah CO aint bad either. I could conceive living there. (Though Denver traffic sprawls out and is generally awful) [18:57] yea, i'm originally from boulder and prefer north of denver [18:57] or southwest is nice (durango, telluride, etc) [18:58] durango's just 3.5 hrs from us, so we go up there pretty regularly [18:58] Ah yeah, nice [19:45] Some fireworks I recorded the other night - https://www.facebook.com/mansoor.nathani/videos/10153087048988546/?l=8693931352029030016 [20:36] *** mnathani_ has quit IRC ()