[04:10] *** atmark has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [04:24] *** atmark has joined #arpnetworks [04:24] *** atmark is now known as Guest15855 [08:40] careful of UK providers.. lots of them are crap [08:44] most run off heartinternet (or resellers of) - using a shakey ass rig of hardware and networks [08:50] *** _iwc has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [08:57] *** _iwc has joined #arpnetworks [11:02] http://www.amazon.com/Brocade-Communications-XFP-10GBase-LR-10G-SFPP-LR-8/dp/B009HS1Z82 [11:02] Amazon: "Brocade Communications XFP - 1 x 10GBase-LR 10G-SFPP-LR-8" [11:19] whats up with that image? [11:19] doesnt look like networking gear to me [11:23] that's why i linked it [11:23] because funny [11:23] brocade blows [11:23] old foundry stuff was good enough, new brocade stuff is yucky [12:51] *** MrMorden has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:04] grody: Why would UK lack quality providers? [13:16] UK has plenty of good providers [13:17] and stuff in London is usually well connected to both mainland Europe and USA [13:29] goscomb and bytemark have been good to me [13:29] heart internet is like, mm [13:29] the UK equivalent of EIG i guess [15:45] EIG? [16:01] this tame systemcall thing on openbsd suonds interesting [16:07] kellytk, oh they don't lack them.. but most of the ones you find by google are by far from the best [16:07] a lot are just resellers of platforms already in place [16:07] well vultr's issue in uk seems to be that they're single homed with level3 [16:07] i dunno why level3 would have a big issue though? [16:09] quite a large provider [16:09] vultr has quite a few random outages actually [16:09] ovh are quite nice for VPS [16:10] well i'm not doing anything that important with it [16:11] just smokeping and as an external host to check connectivy/speed/blah [16:11] but the loss levels were insane [16:11] oddly, even though ARP is quite a distance, i use it for a lot of personal stuff simply because it's reliable [16:11] even now ircing from it, the latency of the echo over ssh is more than acceptable [16:13] but A&A > ARP has a nice fast route [16:13] AA > NTT > ARP [16:14] same on 4 & 6 [16:14] I'm 60% of the way through reading the tame(2) diff, and I like what I see. Rather excited about the changes to ps(1), silly as that sounds. [16:18] i get pretty consistent latency to arp too. but for irc i ssh to somewhere 5 msec away :) [16:31] mike-burns: What kind of changes to ps are you seeing? [16:31] It prints whether the process has been tamed. [16:33] I'm not finding a man page on tame. Do you have a link handy? [16:34] http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=143725996614627&w=2 [16:34] openbsd-tech: "tame(2) WIP" from Theo de Raadt @ 2015-07-18 22:50:27 [16:35] there was an e-mail today about it [16:35] so "bleeding edge" [16:35] Definitely WIP. It even includes commented-out code using // comments. [16:36] a nice concept though [16:36] mike-burns: That's a nice read, thank you [16:37] apparently "doas" hit the tree recently too [16:37] I suspect that I won't be able to use tame(2) in my GTK+ apps. [16:37] I'm going to use sudo(1) until 5.9 or 6.0, methinks. [16:38] the next openbsd is in november right? [16:38] I support both capabilities as well as relinquishing them [16:39] i used to use a program called tame with dos [16:39] November seems right. [16:39] it would help give up time slices to "hogging" applications [16:39] I used to tame in UO, although that's a different context entirely [16:39] lots of dos software used to poll for key presses. [16:40] it was kind of ick [16:40] some even did things like write character, check keyboard, write character, check keyboard [16:40] so if you tamed them and it saw there were a lot of keystrokes and gave up time slice, it'd slow the character writing down :( [16:41] Shameful [16:41] It was a limited OS. [16:41] true, but writing characters to the screen one character at a time seems like a bad idea in any context. [16:42] actually that's probably a lot less inefficient these days.. [16:43] This is nearly as exciting as sed(1) taking a -i option. [16:43] curl does a whole lot of that for ui stuff and you don't reall ynotice [16:43] how long has sed had -i? [16:43] Two days? [16:43] sed -i is basically like the replace program? [16:43] Yeah. [16:44] sweet [16:44] well linux already has it :) [16:44] Not even two days: 27 hours, according to CVS. [16:44] i wonder if freebsd does [16:44] it may be possible to start using it regularly :) [16:44] I think it does. [16:44] IIRC, OBSD was inspired by FBSD. [16:44] freebsd 9 does too [16:45] woot [16:45] http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=143714951126397&w=2 - the thread. [16:45] openbsd-tech: "sed -i" from Jasper Lievisse Adriaanse @ 2015-07-17 16:10:46 [16:45] hmm openbsd doesn't have the replace command [16:45] I've no idea what the replace command is. [16:46] I just said "yeah" when you mentioned it because hey why not. [16:46] hmm it comes from mysql-server [16:46] maybe this is a different one than i remember [16:46] https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/replace-utility.html - ? [16:46] it's basically like sed -i [16:47] but this mysql one seems different [16:48] i usually just use two files myself [16:48] We'll have to continue that for a long while, I fear. [16:48] i hardly ever use egrep even [16:49] sometimes it's easier to just keep things simple, even if it's more drawn out.. [17:04] userauth_pubkey: key type ssh-dss not in PubkeyAcceptedKeyTypes [17:04] hmm openbsd stopped allowing dss keys [17:05] * mercutio probably should have read the upgrade changelog :) [17:14] so dss isn't supported by default, but ecdsa works these days [17:14] i wonder if they decided dsa was insecure [17:26] interesting.. just cottoned on the intel dual port nic in my pfsense supports some microcode loading [17:49] and it appears to dramatically reduce interupt requests [17:55] yeh there are firmware blobs for broadcom/intel ethernet cards [17:55] that handle coalescing etc. [17:56] you can adjust coalescing levels too [17:56] generally speaking it helps a lot less at 100 megabit than gigabit if you want to have "reasonable" latency [17:57] err for bulk throughput - it can still help ddos type things i suppose [17:57] but with adsl/vdsl loads you kind of want to interrupt for every packet [17:59] well every packet received, not transmitted packets.. [18:01] it's one of the instances, where higher speed links can use less cpu - as coalescing can work better [18:10] well one is for the WAN port, the other has a few VLAN networks routed via it and does hit high duplex loads [18:10] intel is wan, non-intel lan? [18:10] wan < 100 megabit, lan gigabit? [18:10] i'd swap the cards around [18:11] dual port intel, one port for WAN the other port for LAN (and a couple of VLANs) [18:11] ahh [18:11] i see [18:11] 1000pt? [18:11] LAN or VLAN to VLAN can get quite high in load sometimes (i do have a second router for when i want faster) [18:11] not yet [18:12] err card type i meant [18:12] card is 100 [18:12] oh? [18:12] upto 400mbps [18:12] havent got the new rig in yet [18:12] http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ethernet-products/gigabit-server-adapters/pro-1000-pt-dp.html [18:12] those cards are ultra cheap on ebay [18:12] ahh the new rig has an e1000 1gbit dual port and a single port intel gigabit [18:12] getting a bit old now, a bit higher power uage. [18:13] lots of the older dual intel cards are the pt ones [18:13] just having some teething issues with it [18:13] chip number is like 82571 or something [18:13] yea, this thing is quite old [18:13] probably intel pt, they're pretty stable [18:14] when i say higher power usage, it's TDP is only 3.43watts :) [18:14] so it's not high high [18:17] 18.80% [intr{irq10: fxp0 vr0+}] | 11.18% [intr{irq11: fxp1 uhci}] - fxp0 is LAN facer and fxp1 WAN facer, thats with a combined 74mbps passing via the thing in whole [18:18] err, 54mbps* [18:18] but you're upgrading to your newer box? [18:19] soon, got to fix a few "issues" [18:19] the fxp cards are pretty good for half duplex performance fwiw [18:19] they're more aggressive than other cards [18:20] running a complete overhaul (may as well) and have a few cable shortage issues and it's not really econmical to run more [18:22] need a gigabit smart switch in each room with my new plans - and they're not exactly cheap [18:24] you can get soem semi smart tp-links really cheap [18:24] like $25 US [18:24] they do vlans, bonding etc. [18:25] http://goo.gl/h4GA6r [18:25] http://goo.gl/h4GA6r -> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/D-Link-DGS-1100-08-8-Port-Gigabit-Smart-Switch-/381254509365?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item58c48a2335 [18:25] but you have to use a special windows program to configure them. no web ui or serial or ssh or anything [18:25] something like that [18:25] fanless too. [18:25] small, desktop like but smart [18:25] i've been tempted to try one. i wish didn't have to use windows to configure though [18:25] yea sod that :) [18:25] these were like $25 US new [18:26] one cable in.. multiple networks available [18:27] biggest flaw in my network was the access to my main network just by plugging in a cable into almost any port on any switch (in rooms) [18:27] can you configure these with webui? [18:27] yea [18:27] serial? [18:27] ssh? [18:27] i have zyxel version of these, but only 100 [18:27] erm.. no idea [18:28] GS105Ev2 [18:28] hmm iwonder what that's like [18:30] hmm apparently recent firmware added webui [18:30] but it's way more expensive than tp-link [18:30] i wonder if tp-link have added webui. [18:30] their high end switches do [18:31] http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KT30D0A/ref=psdc_281414_t2_B00K4DS5KU [18:31] Amazon: "TP-LINK TL-SG2008 8-Port Gigabit Smart Switch, 802.1Q VLAN, L2/L3/L4 QoS, IGMP Snooping, Port Security, Storm Control, Web-based Management, Up to 65% Energy Saving" [18:31] i had the odd pleasure of seeing an almost pure TP-Link home rig the other week [18:31] he says it's rock solid [18:31] i don't /like/ tp-link but i find their stuff seems to be better than d-link and netgear and the like [18:31] and yet it's cheaper [18:32] hmm [18:32] also they seem to be pretty quick to do things like reduce power consumption [18:32] for wifi equipment definately [18:32] they use qcom/ath [18:32] for switches too [18:32] yea [18:32] i'm using tp-link access router [18:32] a lot of my stuff here is tp-link [18:33] this 8 port switch says 6.4 watts [18:33] i was using tp-link adsl modem [18:33] my old main router and wifi AP were tp-link, both replaced with this single tp-link [18:33] i'm using an "edgecore" switch [18:33] tp-link for my shared wifi hotspot [18:33] which is also fanless. 24+2 [18:33] i compared fibre latency to copper [18:33] seems much the same [18:33] i actually have no managed switch per-se atm [18:34] using port management off a couple of tp-link routers as smart switches dropping into uplinks [18:34] this switch is ok, but you need to enable pause frames for it to deal with multiple ports going to one port [18:34] err flow control [18:35] i kind of wish i could find a cheap switch that does sfp+ [18:35] it kind of seems silly to run 10 gigabit cards at gigabit [18:36] i doubt i ever have that need [18:36] i barely flatten 100mbps [18:37] even put off upgrading to gbit until recently (slowly) - but thats only because i intend on getting a second vDSL [18:40] well it's useful if you use hard-disk over network [18:40] and even more useful when you use ssd over network [18:41] but yeah gigabit would be fine :) [18:41] it is bizarre.. used to remember running a NAT router on dialup to share the internet with a couple of hosts and alwats quizzed almost every packet coming in and out (on the modem light) [18:41] and now, just running tcpdump on the router there is this bombardment of various traffic [18:41] haha [18:41] i have so many pings [18:41] bloody smokeping [18:42] hmm 47 pps [18:42] ok it seemed like a lot :) [18:43] 279/30 [18:43] oh wait.. thats my ARP [18:44] 193444/30 [18:45] will probably delegate this thing to my OpenVPN router when i rebuild [18:46] it can cope with quite a bit of traffic from it in this scenario.. if it was /just/ for openvpn.. [18:48] 193444 packets received by filter [18:48] 191240 packets dropped by kernel [18:48] hah [18:48] poor thing [22:21] whats the page with top tech news? [22:24] news.arpnetworks.com? [22:24] if not that i have no idea what you mean :) [22:26] that was one of them [22:26] brycec mentioned another I think it was when linode was switching to kvm or something [22:26] hah sweet, i have a wifi network now using my ARP VPS as it's DHCP server and router [22:26] grody: that's just weird :/ [22:27] i got bored after i added 3G failover [22:27] what happens if your net goes down? :) [22:27] well, that wifi network wont work [22:27] the others will though [22:27] well at least you have 3g [22:27] oh hmm [22:27] i hate it how my cellphone won't go to 3g from wifi if there's no internet [22:27] thats the one > https://lobste.rs/ [22:27] that would solve that issue :) [22:27] just thought "whats the easiest way to appear from the US.." [22:28] so i simply bridged a gif into pfsense LAN and a VAP into the gif linking with ARP [22:28] my phone has "avoid poor connections" - which drops a wifi poorly performing [22:29] on android? [22:29] yea [22:29] mine doesn't that i've seen [22:29] seems to work for the most part.. if i kill the gateway, it notices after about a minute [22:30] i wish you could do both at once [22:30] disconnects and disables using it for a while [22:30] with seemless fallover [22:30] like be on a wifi call and shift to 3g [22:30] i have aggressive wifi to 3g handover too [22:30] ah yea that would be nice [22:30] i can't check my mail if i make a call on wifi [22:30] that just drops weaker wifi sooner [22:30] but i can go about a metre from the letterbox [22:30] maybe it's better now [22:31] i don't want to put my phone down to check mail [22:31] i have an AP with an external antenna on my satelite dish [22:31] but sometimes i want to check the mail while i'm on the phone, ... as i tend to like walking while i talk [22:31] it just reaches the pub on the corner garden [22:32] US homes tends to be larger, harder to cover with standard indoor kit [22:32] (or are you NZ) [22:33] flip.. need to drop the PPPoE to (shift routing) test this [22:33] and i really cba.. will wait til it breaks [22:34] policy routing works over it (fun watching a packet going out 3G and return in FTTC) [22:35] heh i drop heaps of signal going one room over [22:35] i reckon it's my house [22:35] i'm in nz [22:35] i hear that some kind of metal mesh stuff is common in the US that screws with wifi too [22:36] mercutio: Is your home stone or stick-built? [22:36] stick? :) [22:36] when i peeled the wallpaper to paint the walls, the paper had aluminium foil inside it (some insulation thing, but also caused moulding) which deflected radio waves of all kinds [22:36] it's wooden but i think there's metal supporting beams. [22:36] Wood [22:36] 3G peformance was poor in here befoe that [22:41] yeh 3g is bad here too [22:41] but it's not great outside either [22:41] i think tower must be a way away [22:42] weird it's better than normal -7dbm [22:42] -75dbm [22:43] it's usualy more like -90 to -100dbm i thought [22:44] -85 dbm now, that's a huge jump [22:52] my ping times to ARP are twice as good as my ping times over 3G [22:52] your nexthop ping times on 3g, or 3g ping times to arp? [22:52] 323.4ms on 3G 170.2ms to ARP [22:52] ahh [22:53] i'm ~140ms to arp [22:53] admitedly, the modem idles on UTMS until a certain data rate flows through it, then it goes HSPA and pings drop to about 50ms [22:53] ahh [22:53] that sounds annoying [22:53] it is [22:53] mine stays on H [22:54] although it can do E occasaionally [22:54] and it can do lte when i'm not at home [22:54] i wont even tell you pings on G/E here [22:54] average is over 1s [22:57] shwing.. i now have it so i can just alter routes (or dedicate US only IP ranges) to default route over the GIF to ARP, regardless of my IP and it be NAT on the ARP :D [22:58] on which note, i can go to bed (and wake up to it all broken) [23:51] Suggestions for the name of a web host which is generic, does not exist, and would be clearly representative of a host? "Acme Hosting" is, unfortunately, an actual host [23:52] "Example" is a little dry