#arpnetworks/ 2015-06-18,Thu

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mike-burnsNo, only California. [00:04]
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mercutiowhy would they have in india?
from what i understand india is pretty hard to get vps in
probably singapore is the closest that can easily get
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up_the_ironsIt's hard to have a ISP in India
laws, insurance, etc...
[01:52]
mercutioup_the_irons: there's more than just that :)
power, data centers, transit...
india had huge power disruption just recently
but if you want to provide a 24/7 connection and have backup power in use frequently it's going to raise the costs
compared to occassional backup power.
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grodym0unds, ouch sheesh that is terrible
how the heck can a software giant sit on something like that for so long
grody smells NSA on this
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mercutioit could just be that they didn't know what to do about it
giants move slowly
[06:59]
BryceBotThat's what she said!! [07:00]
grodybet they'll know what to do now it's public
i bet you my friend will cry when i mention XARA to him
he always professes how Apple are superior at fixing security issues
[07:00]
mercutioi only just heard about the whitehouse thing
opm breach thing
[07:04]
grodyuhh? link? [07:04]
mercutiogoogle for opm breach [07:05]
grodyhmm, chromium is using duckduckgo... [07:05]
mercutiosame diff
should work fine :)
scary, eh?
[07:05]
grodycrap
that is bad
[07:09]
mercutioyes. [07:09]
grodyand who said hacking was a dieing art
kinda scarey, especially this day in age though
[07:10]
mercutiosee how the chinese are blamed again? [07:10]
grodythese things seem right out of the 90s
yea
seems to easy fall to guys atm
[07:10]
mercutionot much has changed [07:10]
grodys/to/the [07:10]
BryceBot<grody> seems the easy fall the guys atm [07:10]
mercutioinformation moves a lot quicker these days [07:10]
grodyooh.. another regexp learnerd [07:11]
mercutioyou get an interesting perspective on the world when you hear about these things within 24 hours etc. [07:11]
grodyi miss the / and it changes all to's
hah yea
[07:11]
mercutioin the 90s you'd probably hear like a week later.
maybe a few days..
i find it interesting in a way what i hear about from multiple people and what i hear about quite by accident.
a lot of the local news here has become tabloid-like
[07:11]
grodymakes you wonder though, that the very people running a country and protecting a nation of millions, can't even protect a computer database [07:12]
mercutioand you hear more about minor things, and less about significant complicated things.
customers disgusted by mice at mcdonalds seems to be the top story
[07:12]
grodyhah [07:14]
mercutiooh and an old woman crashed into a police car.
i mean seriously.
this seems to be the stuff people are most interested in.
most people don't want "hard" news.
they want something they can talk about without it turned into a paranoid conspiracy.
[07:15]
grodylol
we get things like this... http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/deidre/6505994/Dear-Deidre-Im-having-sex-behind-boyfriends-back.html
[07:15]
mercutiowe're getting some stories direct from dailymail now [07:16]
grodythey were doing free lego the other day
oooh my new assignment of phones has arrived
[07:17]
mercutioi can't find anything about this data breach in local news [07:17]
grodyi read it in nytimes [07:18]
mercutiooh there was somethign on the 5th
about china being suspected
but yeah i completely missed it..
[07:18]
BryceBotThat's what she said!! [07:18]
grodyi think BryceBot is too hopeful [07:18]
mercutiohe is [07:18]
grodyanyone need replaceement screens for iphon 6, samsung s6 & edge, or any of the xperia Z range? [07:19]
mercutiowhat'd he say it to?
i read it in nytimes
[07:19]
grodycompletely missed it [07:19]
mercutiobut yeah i completely missed it.. [07:19]
BryceBotThat's what she said!! [07:19]
mercutiook it [07:20]
grodybut yea [07:20]
mercutiobrycebot isn't as laggy as i thought it'd be [07:20]
grodymeh [07:20]
mercutioit was pretty immediate which made me think it was to an earler line. [07:20]
grodynot an eggdrop is it? [07:20]
mercutioi think it's custom [07:21]
grodyonly run one IRC bot now.. used to run a few ruby rbots for some channels
has a handy RSS poller and posts updates to channel - good for security bulletins etc.
as well as hundreds of other features
[07:21]
mercutiocool
someone wsa telling me about all the ubuntu security bulletins recently
it takes a bit of effort to look through to see if they're really relevant or not
like the recent one about overlay filesystems..
[07:24]
grodyin ubuntu...?
though overlay was for limited storage systems
[07:28]
mercutioyeh
it is
[07:29]
grodywow [07:29]
mercutioUSN-2643-1 [07:29]
grodythats like adding zramswap to a 32GB RAM system [07:29]
mercutioit has other uses too
zramswap to 32gb machine is fine
better than using hard-disk for swap
[07:29]
grodybest to use none at all if you can help it
i rather OOM than lag like hell
[07:30]
mercutioi have no swap on my linux server at home
i only have 16gb though.
i have a spare 16gb
[07:30]
grodyi have a swap on my laptop, but it is used purely for hibrid-sleep [07:30]
mercutioi was going to upgrade it to 32gb, but never got around to it [07:30]
grodyhybrid*
im only running 8GB on this
[07:31]
mercutiohmm my 8gb server has no swap either.. [07:31]
grodyonly gizmo with swap here is my ARM servers
but they have 512MB RAM so yea
[07:31]
mercutioi probably should do ramzswap
i'd like to see better virtualisation system swap stuff
like shared swap between multiple vm's
but overall swap doesn't really work that well on linux
i'd much rather just have sufficient ram and let it be.
[07:31]
grodyi'd like to see virtualisation passed off onto GPUs [07:33]
mercutiowhat i'm hoping will happen in linux so is most frequently used / most recently used split caching [07:33]
grodyArch makes it real easy to use your video card RAM as swap [07:34]
mercutiointel gpu's support virtualisation.
the recent ones are supported with xen apparently
[07:34]
grodyyea intel are starting to lead on that area
intel GPUs are the easiest to use RAM from too
[07:34]
mercutioi have found intel's 2d performance really good now days. [07:34]
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mercutioi seem to run out of gpu ram
even on my windows box with 4gb of video ram
my linux box with 1gb video ram is at 968mb ram usage atm
[07:35]
but it would be kind of cool to have video ram speed ram for the cpu [07:42]
grodymy ATI on this netbook only has 386MB
uses system RAM to up it to 1GB
384*
the intel 2CU i have on my netbook has phenomenal 2D/3D peformance - for an embedded chip
netbook/tablet
[07:46]
mercutioyeah onboard sucked on p4s.
but now days even the low end intel onboard is good for 2d
[07:48]
grodythe older intels did blow [07:48]
mercutio3d you can find things that any video card is slow with. [07:48]
grodythen they started getting better in the HD range [07:48]
mercutiothey used to struggle with high res scrolling
i couldn't deal with it
[07:48]
grodystrange as hell...
firefox will not work with google at all, nothing google works
but chrome & opera, no problem
seems im having a lot of google issues atm
even gmail on my phone is being a slob
[07:56]
mercutioi had a weird issue with google before
when i was checking what i told you to google for :)
[07:58]
grodyhah [07:58]
mercutioseems fine now
ocp breach that was it
[07:58]
grodyyea, firefox is not working with anything IPv6 google [07:58]
mercutionope not quite that hmm [07:58]
grodythat is just weird [07:59]
mercutioopm breach
it's loading fast now
[07:59]
grodyah [07:59]
mercutioit seemed to just pause after showing the serach query thing on the results page [07:59]
grodyit seems pfsense has serious bugs with IPv6 traffic limiters
brlliant
[07:59]
mercutiolike it showed the top bit of page.
but from windows it worked quickly..
[07:59]
grodyi upgrade to this and im hit with bugs.. wth
i just turned off my IPv6 shaping and whalla, it works
[08:00]
mercutioyeah it may be fine later
maybe google is just having random issues
[08:00]
grodyECN? heh [08:00]
mercutiooh i enabled ecn
which windows wouldn't have..
[08:00]
grodyi could turn it on in my router
but doesn't everything before and after have to do it too?
[08:01]
mercutioif your router is acting as proxy
it's only the client that needs it really
[08:01]
grodynah it does just that .. routes
hm
[08:01]
mercutionot much cares about markings though
i'm using fq_codel across my dsl though
[08:01]
grodyyea i've heard about that [08:02]
mercutioos x, windows, and linux all support ecn
it works fine.
you don't even have to tune it really
although i did a tiny amount
[08:02]
grodyi can really only control what happens between core and secondary - my ISP indiscriminantly passes all traffic fairly, although they do give slight higher priority to smaller, VoIP-like packets
i generally dont have any networking issues, when i do it's usually 9/10 a bloody bug
pfsense 2.1.5 was actually rock solid, minus the numerous webui exploits
[08:03]
mercutioi've found openbsd to be the most solid operating system for me [08:06]
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grodyfreebsd for me
generally
although 10.x is proving annoying
[08:31]
mike-burnsI've been moving everything to OBSD lately. [08:31]
grodydont know why i've never used open that much
used net quite a bit recently, but only for tinkering
(more running BSD on an ARM) - although FreeBSD now supports this arch
oh i fib.. my IRC shell is OpenBSD
s/my/this/
[08:32]
BryceBot<grody> oh i fib.. this IRC shell is OpenBSD [08:33]
grodyok, so i can say i use open everyday (in some way) [08:34]
mercutioopenbsd has a few deficiencies, but stability has never been one of them. [08:34]
grodygrody has to confess he is a loyal FreeBSD fan [08:35]
mercutioi think c++ applications, multithreading etc is a bit worse. [08:35]
grodyi cant see me comitting to a new OS anytime soon [08:35]
mercutiolike starting c++ applications with lots of dependencies. [08:35]
grodyis that not more to do with the security efforts it has? [08:35]
mercutioi actually quite liked opensolaris tbh [08:36]
grodyused to tinker with that on an older laptop
was quite nice
[08:36]
mike-burnsThe lack of C++ support is probably due to the lack of C++ devs contributing to the project. [08:36]
mercutioi don't care that much about openbsd's security
i care much more about it's stability, predictability, good man pages, sensible development.
[08:36]
mike-burnsThe community is the draw for me. [08:37]
mercutioi think people read too much into the whole security as a default thing. [08:37]
grodyhaha [08:37]
mercutioit's definitely not the only thing to openbsd.
it's just kind of where they're coming from.
[08:37]
grodyconsidering many of their previous "no remote root on default install" record was hocum [08:37]
mercutiowell they don't run much on default system, but neither do netbsd. [08:38]
grodyfree usually only has sshd (if enabled on install) and syslogd open up [08:38]
mercutioneither does arch
ahh ok
i much prefer openbsd's installer to freebsd's.
freebsd's installer is awful
[08:38]
grodyyea i do hate installing a system and finding avahi, rpc and goodness knows what else im not going to use open up
mercutio, the original one was better
the newer one is horrid
[08:39]
mercutioopenbsd's is good as long as you don't mind partitioning.
actually they've made that a bit simpler too.
[08:39]
grodyi could blind install freebsd until they changed it :( [08:39]
mike-burnsI just auto-partition. [08:39]
mercutioauto partitioning is new
i've been using openbsd for 15 yeras.
[08:40]
grodysysinstall was so simple, even manual partitioning could be done blind [08:40]
mike-burnsWell relative to 15 years ago, most of OpenBSD is new. [08:40]
mercutioheh [08:40]
grodybeen sing freebsd and linux for about the same time, 17 years
sheeet
now i feel old again
[08:40]
mercutioyeah i was using linux 17 years ago
i chose debian at first..
[08:41]
grodyi rmember when i first installed freebsd
i was half expecting a porn site to load up
[08:41]
mercutiodselect was so ick [08:41]
grodymy first linux was redhat 6
then storm, which was debian based
redhat 5 in fact, sheet
still have the original install cd too
[08:41]
mercutioredhat used sendmail :/
actually i can't remember when debian shifted to exim
i really hated linux when i was new to it
[08:42]
grodyditto [08:43]
mike-burnsI apparently didn't try OpenBSD until 2003. [08:43]
mercutioit was memory hungry, slow, complicated..
just loading a text editor was slow
[08:43]
plettI think I'm up to 20 years since I did my first linux install. Slackware from a pile of floppies on a 486sx25 laptop [08:43]
mercutioalthough joe was faster than vim to start [08:43]
grodyi remember my first install was w/o X .. i was like, ugh.. WTF do i doo
joe mmm
i remember that
it was when i was shown links & BitchX
[08:43]
mercutioi used to wonder why linux was so slow for text [08:44]
grodywhen i saw there was tonnes of CLI based stuff.. i got glued [08:44]
mercutioyeah - like bitchx scrolling up and down was slow locally [08:44]
mkb"it was memory hungry, slow, complicated"
was?
[08:44]
mercutioi didn't use X for ages. [08:45]
grodydid you have a poorer graphics card.. i had the cirrus logic 5665 or something [08:45]
mercutioit was too memory hungry [08:45]
grodytext used to be ok with the whole 2MB video RAM [08:45]
mercutioi only had 24mb of ram i think [08:45]
grodyahh, i had 32MB on my first rig [08:45]
mercutioi had s3 virge i think
or something of that vintage
[08:45]
mkbstill is though [08:45]
mercutioi can't actually remember [08:45]
grodytext on my CLI here using framebuffer is too fast [08:46]
mercutioi used svgatextmode [08:46]
grodyit actually tears when it's scrolling [08:46]
plettI never got X to install on that 486 laptop, and gave up on it for a few years. I think my next linux was Debian Potato, which was released in 2000. I've been using Linux since then [08:46]
mercutiowell linux 2.1 sped up text a bit
about 110 from memory
[08:46]
grodyi remember denian used to be slow to boot until you custom built a kernel [08:46]
mercutiothe thing about X ist hat things like xeyes were fast [08:46]
grodydebian* [08:46]
mercutiobut if you use any graphical applications that did useful things theyh were always slow
and like netscape was so ick
i used lynx then links
i had custom kernel
[08:47]
grodyi didn't actually have the internet until i was 18 - two years after i started potting [08:47]
plettOr not, it must have been earlier than 2000, as I know I had a FreeBSD 3 machine too which I broke on an upgrade to 4 - and that came way after I started using Debian [08:47]
mercutioand used 2.1 kernels for faster text i/o..
and wrote my own irc client..
because i couldn't understand why normal irc clients used like 3mb of ram+
[08:47]
grodywasn't bx backdoored too? [08:48]
mercutioi dunno
bx was lame
i used ircii-epic :/
[08:48]
grodyircII [08:48]
mercutioprior. [08:48]
grodyyea [08:48]
mercutiowith third eye script [08:48]
grodyi remmber i used to have a war client for irc
that was laden with tonnes of skiddie tools for old skewl takeovers n stuff
[08:49]
mercutiohaha [08:49]
grodystill have my collection of nefarious laugh out louds from that era [08:49]
mercutionow i wonder hwo much ram weechat is using
61mb
i mean seriously
[08:49]
plettirc client wise, I think my order of clients went mIRC 3.x , bitchx, ircii-epic, irssi. I'm still using irssi [08:50]
mercutioand that's resident not virtual
i think i used ircii normal first
[08:50]
grodygrody stuck with irssi since first using it [08:50]
mercutioi used irssi for a while [08:50]
grodybx for a while, was too much for just IRC.. ircii then irssi
i gigggled the other day.. my friend actually called irssi I.R.S.S.I
[08:50]
mercutiomy current pet peeve is random cpu usage rather than memory usage [08:51]
grody"it's pronounced urr see" [08:51]
mercutiogrody: that's what i'd call it if i was talking about it [08:51]
grodyhehehe [08:51]
mercutioand i-r-c-i-i [08:51]
grodyi dunno why it just makes me giggle like a kid [08:52]
mercutiosomeone was asking me how nginx was pronounced the other day [08:52]
grodyi see that as "En Jinx" [08:52]
mercutioi don't think it really matters
it's engine-x
[08:52]
grodyhah [08:52]
mercutiobut n-g-i-n-x is fine by me [08:53]
plettirssi would be pronounced either "err-sea" or "ear-sea" if it were me saying it [08:53]
mercutioi always feel weird when i say tla's
especially if i say more than one close together
[08:53]
grodyit's also the pronounciation of linux that tickles me too
most say lye nux
[08:53]
mercutiothere's nothing worse than wanting to talk about soemthing where the tla isn't the point [08:53]
grodyi say lin nux [08:53]
mercutioand then someone wants to know what it stands for
i suppose just expand it out
i say lin-ix
making the u softer than it should be i suppose
well an i hah
linnicks
[08:54]
grodyi think people associate it with Linus
which is a lye nus
[08:55]
mercutioyeh if i said it like linus
then i'd be pronouncing it quite different
[08:55]
plettThere is a .au file somewhere of linus saying "My name is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce Linux as 'Linux'" [08:55]
mercutioheh [08:55]
plett(yes, .au , it's that old) [08:56]
mercutioi don't know why some people make a big deal of pronounciation myself
as long as you can understand it's all good
[08:56]
grodyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAEsoKiZTvk [08:56]
BryceBotYouTube video: "How to pronounce Linux" by BizzyMicBizness02 [08:56]
mercutioand a lot of that can come from context [08:56]
grodyhe said lennox [08:56]
mercutioi think it's a horrible name myself
but i can't see it changing
[08:57]
grodylinnux is always lennox [08:57]
mercutiohurd is a bad name too :/
what's the naem of the windows kernel?
[08:57]
grodynew technology? [08:58]
mercutioi don't think so
oh it is isn't it
NTKERNEL
[08:58]
grodyi think NT stands for new technology though
ntoskrnl
[08:58]
mercutiothey probably have an internal name too [09:02]
grodyah they dropped the new tech expansion in 2000 [09:03]
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mercutioso somehow my ip has got onto dronebl, twice.. and i really don't see anything open :(
and it wants me to do a captcha, but I don't have X on the host I normally irc from..
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grodyset up a bouncer on it
i dont know how i've managed to not have any of my IPs listed
i has a lot of enemies
remember i left a dns forwarder open for about a month.. was only because my ISP soon afte setup regular testing for certain "open" services i got an email about it
it was getting hit A LOT
problem with DNSBL's you can end up on one for no reason.. usually it's not a problem unless you are on more than one.. but i knw of people who have "cred" and can put any IP on any list
kinda sad really... that people can overlook candour with rep
[18:30]
mercutioapparently it's cos i used undernet [18:38]
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merc2erk how do i get weechat to check the next server
bah it's caching anyway
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grodyhuh?!
how does using an IRC count you as an open relay...
im tempted to open a mail relay (that sends false MDNs) so relayers think it's open and see how long it is before it gets flagged
[18:41]
mercutioi dunno it's dronebl experimental
anyone can add you
undernet i think is adding on failed dns lookup
[18:43]
grodythey'd ♥ my IPv6 PM SLAAC [18:44]
mercutioi looked it up fine, but looking up the irc server was failing for me and for level3 dns
i don't have ipv6 for irc hmm
i don't have ipv6 at all atm
[18:44]
grodyall my IP6's default to their in.addr.arpa eq (had too many drinks to remember exactly) - which reaps havock with some IRCs
as the hostname is too long
trying to figure out how to use my ISP DNS to use my unbound for the DHCP mappings/hostnames
it does send lookups for some IPs, but i dont have it set up right
don't really want to run my own public DNS server either
rather have them private, have ISP DNS lookup mine (and only theirs) to provide the results I offer for IPs and not have every domain system want transfers
but tbh, DNS is a very grey area for me
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sorresseanI'm trying to set up a rdns record. my address is 174.136.96.202 so when I put that in the name field I get the error: Name is not within your IP range
I'm not sure if I"m doing this wrong. the previous host I was with didn't need a name. the domain/record shows 96.136.174.in-addr.arpa
[20:01]
mercutiois that the right ip address for your host? [20:03]
sorresseanthat address I provided is correct, yes. [20:04]
mercutioso you put in just the last ip
into ip/name you put 202
and it updates down the bottom saying what it will look like
then there's a content field that you put your name in
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mercutionick merc2 [20:16]
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mercutiosorressean: did you figure it out ok? [20:22]
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sorresseanmercutio: sorry, had to afk. someone shattered one of our windows.
mercutio: got it worked out. thanks!
[20:50]
mercutioouch [20:51]
sorresseanyeah, was lovely.
I taped some cardboard over it. from beer boxes. classy!
hrm, hopefully this works. freelists was complaining my host couldn't be found (apparently they only got an IP address). so I'm hoping RDNS does what they need.
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grodyis it essential there is a matching A record for it (somewhere)? [21:10]

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