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mnathani_ has joined #arpnetworks mercutio: so apparently nginx is bigger than iis these days.
it's the most popuular server for top 10,000 web sites, but even overall it's second behind apache NiTeMaRe: litespeed :) mercutio: yeah litespeed is pnuy
2.2% litespeed, 13.2% iis, 23.9% nginx, 57.7% apache
for all sitges NiTeMaRe: i use litespeed for all of my production cpanel servers and love it mercutio: does it do htaccess
i'm not a fan of capnel
ahh it does
yheah i dunno why litespeed never took off
not being open source and costing money put me off m0unds: yea, that's probably a big reason
that and they license by cpu core (at least they used to) mercutio: eww m0unds: if i'm thinking of the right thing
and they had license levels for vps vs dedi
vs host mercutio: apache trafficserver seems to be ahead of othe people with http2 support.
cpanel is like that too m0unds m0unds: https://store.litespeedtech.com/store/cart.php?gid=1 mercutio: nginx not supporting htaccess makes it complicated for shared hosting. m0unds: 1 core, 2GB RAM limit, 500gb concurrent connections, $249 mercutio: screw that m0unds: but hey, at least it still supports uml
:) mercutio: hangon is that one core for the webserver? m0unds: yes mercutio: so not php etc. m0unds: not sure how that would work
but license renewals are $50/yr after the first yr mercutio: Standard Edition: Free. Meets the needs of small websites. Automatically reads and uses Apache configurations, but has a limit of 150 concurrent connections and up to 5 Apache vhost.s
OpenLiteSpeed: Open source and free. Powerful enough for any website, but does not automatically read and use Apache configurations. Easy to configure (understands Apache mod_rewrite syntax), but requires that you configure it on your own.
that doesn't seem so bad.
i reckon large sites should use nginx
or small sites. m0unds: i just use nginx because i don't need htaccess mercutio: and shared hosting should use apache
yeh actually it's just shared hosting that really wants htaccess
do you like nginx m0unds ? m0unds: yup
been using it for 4-5 yrs mercutio: ahh ok
did you ever try lighttpd? m0unds: i like the cfg syntax, reminds me of junos
used lighttpd years ago mercutio: oh yip
what about boa and thttpd? NiTeMaRe: there is openlitespeed too
but it doesn't support as much and there is a closed source free version but ditto m0unds: used thttpd for handling cgi before, but haven't used it as a web server mercutio: NiTeMaRe: why did you switch?
there used to be all these benchmarks going around about static performance of web servers m0unds: i used to feed smokeping through thttpd w/nginx on the front end mercutio: when it's php that's usually the slowest part. m0unds: yeah NiTeMaRe: mercutio: i was having issues with a couple large sites and load with apache and nginx didn't have that great of integration + the htaccess thing mercutio: NiTeMaRe: and it fixed it up? NiTeMaRe: yes by far m0unds: i've heard/read that lightspeed is much faster than apache 2.x
2.2* NiTeMaRe: it is way faster m0unds: .x
i don't remember seeing it compared to 2.3 though mercutio: m0unds: yeh i remember it was fsater than apache 1.3
and apache 2 was slower than apache 1.3 wasn't it? m0unds: err, 2.4
rather mercutio: has apache sped up?
it still takes lots of memory m0unds: yea, new apache has a threaded model like nginx
sort of mercutio: using php cgi on apache reduces memor yusage a lot m0unds: still not as fast though mercutio: but then you have the overhead of calling php
so you can use thinkgs like php-fpm m0unds: yea mercutio: it gets complicated quick though NiTeMaRe: it handles http-based ddos well too
http://www.litespeedtech.com/products/litespeed-web-server/editions
there is a comparison chart for each of the versions mercutio: ahh so you need enterprise for your cpanel NiTeMaRe: lsws standard is free along with (obviously) openls
yes mercutio: http://www.litespeedtech.com/products/anti-ddos-proxy-service
interesting NiTeMaRe: ya i've considered trying that but i'm a cloudflare partner anyways
railgun works pretty nicely mercutio: how much does that cost NiTeMaRe ? m0unds: yuck, whcms
or whatever it is
haha NiTeMaRe: which, cloudflare? mercutio: yeh paterner
err partner NiTeMaRe: to become a partner is free as long as you have a legit hosting site etc mercutio: ahh ok NiTeMaRe: you use cpanel at all for customers? mercutio: then you can add people to it easily/quickly?
nah i know someone else who uses cpanel though NiTeMaRe: well they have a cpanel module and interworx module
it is all point n click mercutio: ahh so it's all automatic? NiTeMaRe: yup mercutio: even with dns control etc? m0unds: does it just hook into cloudflare's API or something? mercutio: cloudflare's dns config is ick
my main complaint about cloudflare is you can't just cname to their server NiTeMaRe: yup although if you are using it for ddos you are better off changing nameservers over to cloudflare but it is reallyg good just for optimization mercutio: you have to use them for your whole domain, and their dns is icky to work with NiTeMaRe: ya thats where you have to change nameservers over
but if you don't have ddos issues and you just want to use them for CDN purposes they work great mercutio: i'd rather be able to do static.domain.name NiTeMaRe: i should try out litespeeds service one day for sure mercutio: i couldn't find a way to make it work with static.domain.name at all.
i suuppose you could do another domain for static content.
it just seems silly to have to do another domain rather than sub doamin NiTeMaRe: well for partners it forwards example.com > www.example.com > cname to cf mercutio: for partners it does cname to cf?
what's the cname look like? NiTeMaRe: so thats how it does everything automatic for partners but if you are getting ddosed, ip can be found via dns example.com
let me pull a example site
sec mercutio: they seem to have improved it slightly
now you can import bind type zone things NiTeMaRe: idk if you got my pm or not but it is a htaccess forward from example.com to www.example.com then a cname from www.example.com to www.example.com.cdn.cloudflare.com
cloudflare.net even mercutio: ahh example.com.cdn.cloudflare.net NiTeMaRe: ya mercutio: so can a normal user just cname there
i suppsoe they can NiTeMaRe: more then likely mercutio: weallsee.net.cdn.cloudflare.net has address 104.28.6.126
weallsee.net has address 104.28.6.126
yip
sweet
thanks :)
although doing it that way doesn't give ipv6 results
dunno why
probably doesn't matter NiTeMaRe: there is a way to toggle it in there panel
www.discuss.ninja now shows it mercutio: ahh
https isn't working either :) NiTeMaRe: they give free ssl certs for https mercutio: i know
it's worked before
i can't get this damn https to go
now cloudflare isn't loading :(
curl -v https://www.cloudflare.com/a/login/
that just hangs mnathani_: this one loads for me: https://www.cloudflare.com/ mercutio: yeah that loaded
The following error occurred while parsing the API response: Unexpected token <
i got into login finally
and now it's showing crap like that and generally not working fast/well/properly.
ahh looks like can't do cname with https
because it uuses assigning the nameservers to cloudflare as verification