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mercutiomicrosoft released an IDE for linux. [14:13]
brycec+osx+windows [14:13]
mercutioweird isn't it
they've been supporting os x for a while
[14:13]
brycecLess "weird" and more "smart" [14:14]
m0undsyea [14:14]
brycecThey seem to be turning their act around lately [14:14]
mercutiotheir market value has been going up.
i know. windows 10 is ... interesting..
they seem to be "sort of" listening
[14:14]
brycecRelatively speaking, they're "really listening" [14:15]
mercutiolike obviously they're kind of big and moving slowly.
they're doing faster build cycles for windows 10 on fast path due to demand.
buut it wasn't surprising that some people would wnat fast build cycles.
[14:15]
brycecMuch of MSFT has been "this is how you do things, period" but now they're showing they're flexible, making products for a market rather than forming markets around products (see all their recent containerisation stuff) [14:16]
m0undslets them iterate faster [14:16]
brycecThey've always had fast build cycles, but they were internal, tested internally by employees etc. For basically the first time, the rest of the world is getting to participate too. [14:16]
m0undsusers w/tech preview are sort of in a focus group [14:16]
brycecI see it as a beta
(but that's just semantics)
[14:17]
m0undsnot even a beta
it's pre-beta
[14:17]
brycecYeah I see what you're saying ( and they're saying) [14:17]
m0undsit helps that they can actually get input from people [14:17]
mercutiom0unds: there's a lot of users in it. [14:18]
m0undsi imagine it's frustrating to open up stuff and not actually actively receive feedback (like, users submitting stuff vs telemetry)
yes, i know
[14:18]
mercutioit is beta [14:18]
brycec(MSFT is very clear that it's pre-beta) [14:18]
m0undsthey were considering it alpha level the last i saw
like a month ago
if that
[14:18]
mercutioit depends how you consider beta things [14:18]
m0undsno it doesn't
it's literally an alpha
haha
[14:19]
brycecThe difference being that Win10TP users get to shape the product, as opposed to beta testing which is solely for working out bugs. [14:19]
mercutioit's not "release candidate" ish [14:19]
m0undsthey're still working out art and UX and shit
and core stuff
the tech preview for mobile devices doesn't even have final typography or anything
[14:19]
mercutioyeah i wonder how much stuff is nearing ready.
it's meant to be out this year
[14:19]
brycecI'll be surprised if it makes it [14:20]
m0undsyea, it's still rough
rumors said july, but i don't believe that at all
i'd guess oct/nov if anything
[14:21]
mercutioyeah i reckon oct/nov
it's hard to know how much developers have not yet pushed
[14:21]
m0undshttp://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2014/ucm415809.htm [14:22]
sorresseanAny way to see if I'll be up and running tonight? I think the time was 24 hours, kind of approaching that. [14:36]
brycecI'm surprised you're not up and running already. Did you at least get an email back from ARP? [14:37]
sorresseanI emailed to ask status and got someone who was going to talk to eng.
But yeah, I figured the 24 hours was just to be safe.
[14:38]
brycecI was thinking in the way of an order confirmation [14:39]
sorresseanYeah, I got that.
I don't have a portal ID or anything, so I can't even start setting up the crt and getting that signed so I can just install as soon as the server is ready
[14:39]
brycecyour portal ID will be your email address, so you can generate your CSR now. [14:42]
sorresseanoh. sweet. thanks [14:43]
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mercutiosorressean: i think dedicated servers need site visit sometimes. [15:10]
sorresseanI just figured up_the_irons lived in his server cage! [15:11]
mercutioi don't think he does it.
well not normally i mean
[15:11]
sorresseanah nods. [15:12]
mercutiodid it say 24 hours? [15:13]
sorresseanYeah. we're a couple hours away which is why I asked here. [15:13]
brycecup_the_irons isn't even the one that goes to the DC to make customisations :P [15:13]
mercutioi think 24 hours is normally for vps's not dedicated. [15:13]
brycecNote that 24 isn't a guarantee or a promise
mercutio: Garry weighed in, it's on dedicated too if it's in-stock
[15:13]
mercutiobrycec: he wsa talking about upgrades though. [15:14]
brycecmercutio: http://irclogger.arpnetworks.com/irclogger_log/arpnetworks?date=2015-04-28,Tue&sel=174#l170 [15:15]
mercutiocool.
i missed that, and it looks like iw as around :)
[15:15]
brycecAnyhow - it may be that someone has to go down and build upgrade a machine for your order, sorressean, in which case it will take longer. I'd assume that you would be informed of that, but maybe it slipped through.
lol mercutio :)
(it happens)
[15:16]
mercutiobrycec: he was getting 8gb more ram in the log [15:16]
brycecBut maybe ARP already has an unused dedi with the upgrade installed [15:17]
mercutioyeah maybe [15:17]
brycec(It would make sense to have units with commonly-requested upgrades ready) [15:17]
sorresseanah nods. it's fine. I just have a lot of work to do before I can switch, so I thought I'd ask. :) thanks. [15:18]
mercutiovirtualisation makes that easier [15:18]
brycecAnd once you have your own dedi, you can run your own virtualisation :D [15:19]
sorresseanYeah, I sort of overflow most vps plans. [15:19]
mercutiosorressean: i mean self-virtualisation
it's not too hard to run kvm or xen or such
[15:19]
sorresseanah nods. [15:19]
mercutioyou get a /29 by default, so you can easily have real ip's on virtuals compared to server. [15:20]
sorresseanthat might work if I really need to. [15:20]
mercutioerr on both virtual and main server. [15:20]
sorressean10 has bhyve. [15:20]
mercutioreduce your ttl's in advance though
because that's something you can do now.
[15:20]
sorresseansorressean nods [15:21]
mercutioy'know arp having redundant power by default is pretty cool. [15:21]
sorresseanduel NIC, too...
It's miles above the crap I'm running now
[15:22]
brycecmercutio: were is the /29 listed? Just curious [15:22]
mercutiooh
maybe it's /30
[15:22]
brycec(And VPS come with a /30) [15:22]
mercutioshit sorry about that
my dedicated has /29
i think it's $5 for /29
[15:22]
brycecMy dedicated has /29 too but it's $5/mo [15:23]
mercutiook cool. sorry! [15:23]
brycecI wondered if I was being gypped is all :) [15:23]
mercutiodid you get a second hard-disk brycec ? [15:24]
brycecHave not
Can't really do that until I ditch some of the VPS' (shuffling money around)
(but I'm just the sysadmin, so changes have to be run up the ladder, explained, etc)
[15:24]
mercutioheh [15:25]
brycecIn other ARP VPS news - Successfully upgraded a clone of my personal main VPS from Wheezy to Jessie
encryption and all
[15:26]
mercutiocool.
i still haven't figured out this mariadb bug
with ubuntu vivid
mercutio checks bug tracker
[15:26]
sorresseannice. I hated debian upgrades. [15:27]
mercutiohttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mariadb-10.0/+bug/1447944
damn there still doesn't appear to be a nice working solution
[15:28]
sorresseanDo most people run arp stuff for corporate/small business stuff? [15:28]
brycecDebian's upgrades have always gone pretty smoothly for me, and I'm happy to say this one was no different. With the sysvinit -> systemd change I was expecting more. [15:28]
mercutioit works fine on ubuntu vivid straight install
sorressean: i think most people usue it for vpn's, personal small sites etc.
[15:28]
sorresseanThe upgrades usually aren't so bad, but MySQL has crashed along with dovecot and a couple others a few times. [15:28]
mercutiobut most people with dedicated servers would probably fit closer to that. [15:29]
brycecHm I could get rid of $45/mo worth of VPS, which equates to a second drive and a +20GB of RAM :D [15:29]
sorresseansorressean nods
dedicated seems a lot for a small site.
[15:29]
mercutioyeah
i kind of reckon hybrid would be cool.
like dedicated disks, dedicated cpu cores, vt-d passthrough of network
if you want lots of ram you kind of have to go dedicated.
like you have 16gb, right?
8gb of ram is actually fine for most servers though. unutil you want to do virtualisation :)
[15:30]
sorresseanYeah. the second 8 is more just in case. [15:32]
mnathani@exch 150 cad to pkr [15:32]
BryceBot150 CAD -> 124.72581109195 USD -> 12689.791109212 PKR (as of Wed, 29 Apr 2015 15:01:02 -0700) [15:32]
sorresseansometimes stuff scales up on me. [15:32]
BryceBotThat's what she said!! [15:32]
mercutioyeah i reckon 16gb is better. [15:32]
sorresseanI probably could've compressed down for a vps, but the single core thing kind of messes with me. [15:32]
mercutioheh.
they're quuad core+ht i think
[15:33]
sorresseanthe dedicated? [15:33]
mercutioyeh [15:33]
sorresseanYeah, they are.
The VPS only come with 1 core plus $2 per extra.
[15:33]
mercutioyeah
at least it tends to mean that cpu isn't oversold
[15:34]
sorresseanI think this dedicated will work well. I'm compressing my personal server plus a linode for dev and a couple services onto it. [15:35]
mercutiobut it can be nice having more cpuu [15:35]
sorresseansorressean nods [15:35]
mercutiohave you had a vps with arp before? [15:35]
sorresseanI have. It's where I started learning BSD. [15:36]
mercutioahh ok [15:36]
i wonder where i can buy a sandy bridge e3 cpu cheap
it's really hard to search for sandy bridge e3s :(
and hp do this weird thing, where they don't allow ivy bridge cpus on older servers.
[15:46]
sorresseanThere are some on newegg, but you'd have to watch it. all out of stock [15:50]
Anyone built a desktophere with liquid cooling? I built my first one by myself, but I'm afraid I'll do the tubing wrong. Blind, so can't see the youtube videos. Was curious if tubes come pre-cut/etc. [15:59]
brycecI would think those details vary by kit [16:00]
sorresseanthat's what I was thinking too.
Was just trying to avoid having someone do it for me.
(that costs)
[16:00]
brycec(I'm sure it does.) I know there are whole prebuilt computers (from the big names, not just built by somebody at the local computer shop) with watercooling.
(To answer the question - no I've never built a water-cooled rig)
[16:01]
sorresseanYeah. [16:02]
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sorresseanIt's generally cheaper to build from ground up and I already have harddrives, so I wanted to do that. [16:02]
brycecI know some will shudder at the thought, but I've always found the stock cooler to be adequate, even with mild overclocking. [16:02]
sorresseanbrycec: maybe it depends on processor. my CPU runs pretty hot. [16:02]
bryceci5-2400 here, bios overclock from 3.1 to 3.2GHz, stable and relatively cool in the 40-50C range [16:04]
sorresseanYeah, I'm running an AMD. [16:04]
brycecI haven't used an AMD in years, but they did run a bit warm back when I did
(I'm talking *years* - back when the Athlon64 was new)
I used to have an old AMD system on my desk that would overheat (90C+) pretty reliably in its later years. (When it was new, it was fine. And no amount of cleaning would help.)
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sorresseansorressean nods [16:07]
brycecbrycec rocks [16:08]
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up_the_ironsmercutio: that's a cool hybrid idea [16:23]
brycecbrycec plays with the budget, whee [16:24]
up_the_ironssorressean: lol i don't live in the cage. i actually don't go down to the data center very much anymore. My engineer, toeshred, goes down there; he lives only like 5 minutes away.
mercutio: ms has an ide for linux??
...and yes, i'm reading scrollback backwards
[16:27]
brycecup_the_irons has been under a rock today, eh?
https://code.visualstudio.com/
Announced at their big developer conference today http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/04/29/everything-microsoft-announced-at-its-build-developer-conference-day-1/
[16:28]
up_the_ironsdamn [16:28]
brycecYou've got a bit to catch up on ;) But the tl;dr is pretty much "MSFT is improving" [16:29]
staticsafeup_the_irons: i had a question regarding the BGP sesion with VPS thing, I'm in the process of getting my ASN from ARIN and they require an invoice/agreement that you are providing transit/BGP for me, is this something you can do? [16:37]
brycec"Dear ARIN: I just want an ASN for funsies. Why do you need all this silly paperwork?" :p [16:38]
staticsafebrycec: its a bit annoying
To verify your intent to multi-home, reply and attach a copy of your signed connectivity agreement (or current bill/invoice for services) with each of the ISPs listed below:
etc.
[16:39]
brycecheh I mean, I can see a reason to it. They don't want you wasting time, they don't want to be the ones hand-holding you getting it setup, etc. [16:42]
staticsafesent up_the_irons an email regarding it [16:47]
brycecbrycec has sent up_the_irons 4 or 5 emails in the last hour. Sorry :) [16:48]
staticsafe:P [16:50]
up_the_ironslol at the "Dear ARIN" comment brycec
staticsafe: just print out an invoice then show them my "VPS with Direct Peering" on the website
I've never had to create formal paperwork for anyone getting an ASN (and many are getting fresh new 4 byte ASNs)
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staticsafestaticsafe nods
i'll put in a order
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up_the_ironsstaticsafe: out of curiosity, why do you want an ASN and peering? anycast? [16:59]
staticsafeyeah
http://www.slideshare.net/natmorris/anycast-on-a-shoe-string basically this, something to play around with
[16:59]
BryceBotSlideShare: "Anycast on a shoe string @ DNS OARC 2014 Spring Meeting" by Nat Morris [16:59]
staticsafeand learn BGP in the real world
hrm, how much RAM will a full table take?
[16:59]
up_the_ironscool
depends on your BGP software
I recommend BIRD
[17:02]
staticsafeordered [17:04]
up_the_ironswerd [17:04]
staticsafethe most annoying part with ARIN is not the paperwork but the time they take to answer tickets [17:05]
up_the_ironsthey used to be really fast [17:05]
staticsafev4 requests are especially slow nowadays due to the volume of them [17:06]
up_the_ironsi used to write them like literally 10 pages of justification when getting IPs, and i think they just gave up reading and said "fuck, here, take the damn IPs" [17:06]
staticsafeheh [17:06]
up_the_ironsI always got IPs within 3 days
Granted, I've needed only to do it 4 times, and a while ago...
[17:06]
staticsafethey gave me an Excel spreadsheet I could fill out with projected usage and what not [17:07]
up_the_ironsi never got that
i put everything in text/plain ;)
not my fault if they don't use a monospace font
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staticsafeheh [17:08]
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m0undssorressean: there are some kits from XSPC and a few others that you have to assemble and fill yourself. there are also sealed self-contained water cooling systems made by corsair and another one branded by antec that work pretty well.
sorressean: the xspc ones have the tubes cut to an approximate length (based on common chassis sizes)
[17:40]
anisfarhanastaticsafe: Are you from NZ? [17:41]
staticsafenope
.ca
[17:42]
m0undsi did my own watercooling loop back in the pentium 4 days, but haven't touched any custom stuff since. i used one of the early corsair self-contained coolers, and it worked okay until the pump started chattering after a few years. now i stick to nice air coolers. [17:42]
anisfarhanaWrong person. [17:42]
brycecm0unds: How loud was the pump (pre-chattering)? [17:43]
m0undsthe fans were louder [17:44]
brycecI had an aquarium as a kid and its air pump was louder than my computers' fans are today. [17:44]
m0unds120mm
the custom one, i used an aquarium pump (eheim something or other)
[17:44]
brycecSo either loud fans or really quiet pump [17:44]
m0undsquiet pump
fans were low rpm
[17:45]
brycecHeh just checking that I'd understood your meaning :) [17:45]
m0unds30dB
i have a noctua something or other monster cooler now, and i think it's actually louder than the corsair thing was
(air only, 140mm fans iirc)
http://noctua.at/main.php?show=productview&products_id=68&lng=en
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up_the_ironschrist u guys sent me like ten thousand tickets today
up_the_irons looks at brycec mostly
;)
[18:20]
staticsafeheh [18:24]
brycec<.<
>.>
up_the_irons: only two of my tickets are action items...
[18:26]
up_the_ironsthat's what they all say... ;)
crap! toeshred was just at the data center... coulda done your upgrade that I now see brycec ...
oh well
[18:28]
brycecup_the_irons: I would've needed some notice anyways [18:29]
up_the_ironsah ok [18:30]
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brycec(I did ask about that in my ticket)
(and about the vlan thing)
[18:30]
up_the_ironsdon't think i've got there yet [18:32]
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brycecty up_the_irons re:Upgrades [18:33]
up_the_ironsnp [18:33]
brycec(and now you have gotten there, good job Garry) [18:34]
up_the_ironslol [18:43]
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sorresseanUrm. I ordered a server with a 128gb SSD and got a 1tb HD [19:23]
mercutioi hate power outages.
seems like chat was more active than normal :)
i gained like 10 megabit on my dsl sync at least.
[19:30]
brycecA little bit. And congrats on the resync [19:34]
mercutioi've always found adsl sync increases after a power outage.
vdsl increased much more..
[19:47]
brycecMaybe your modem comes up faster than your DSL-neighbours [19:48]
mercutiothey run the margins high here. [19:48]
grodyi have to admit, my dsl link is pretty solid.. never seen is waiver from 79.7/19.9 [19:48]
mercutioand it'll get like 6db instead of 12db margin. i wish they'd just let you run 6db margin normally
i mean stealing 10 megabit bandwidth due to conservativeness seems silly.
mind you upload they cap even.
[19:48]
grodyi remember adsl days [19:49]
mercutiogrody: i'm at 45/10, but normally upload "could" do 18 megabit but they cap it [19:49]
grodyi had to bond two lines just to make it worth it [19:49]
mercutioi imagine with 6db noise margin it'd be even better.
i have an adsl connection too, it's around 20 megabit
[19:49]
grodymercutio, yea, BT do two types of FTTC (vDSL here) upto 40/10 or upto 80/20 [19:50]
mercutiois 80/20 bonded? [19:50]
grodyim lukcy and live real damn close to a FTTC cab [19:50]
brycecMy motto is "DSL: Not even once." (though I've used others' DSL and it made me sad.) [19:50]
grodynah, single line [19:50]
mercutioi'm around 300 metres from cabinet
so i doubt that'd be possible.
well not uuntil tech improves again.
[19:50]
grodyphysical line is about 130m [19:50]
mercutiobrycec: here dsl is more consistent than fibre. [19:51]
grodyno cable service here though, which is a shit [19:51]
mercutioand cable is even worse. [19:51]
grodyi'd like a docsis for backup [19:51]
mercutiocable has heaps of jitter, fibre just has pacing requirements. [19:51]
grodynah, the cable provider here isn't too bad [19:51]
mercutiowhich means it struggles to deal with bursts of traffic appropriately, it's more "hard limited" [19:51]
grodycan get cheap 50mbit off them [19:51]
mercutiodocsis is great technology
the main problem is that cables are too thick.
if you have enough divisions of cable, and don't keep users on legacy docsis 2 then docsis 3 is pretty great.
[19:51]
grodyi daren't bond anything more into my current setup tbh [19:52]
mercutiomy setuup isn't bonded buut instead failover. [19:52]
grodyi have managed to tank both upload and download and it kinda took out 80% of my firewalls cpu [19:52]
mercutiomy router is juust bridging, and i'm terminating the vdsl on linux atm. [19:53]
grodyplus only have a 100mbit primary interface [19:53]
mercutioi keep meaning to shift the adsl to it too, and setup vlans proeprly. [19:53]
sorresseanWhen you get your crt and openvpn.conf sent to you , are they attachments? I see links, but those just redirect to control panel. Wasn't sure if I was stupid or if he just forgot to attach. [19:53]
mercutioi can check mine
i got an email from garry with attachments
[19:53]
sorresseanI ended up with 1 tb instead of ssd, but I think I want the extra space anyway, so it's not a problem.
So everything is set.
[19:54]
mercutioi wish ssd's were 256gb :/ [19:54]
grodywow [19:54]
sorresseanmercutio: thanks, I'll ping him back. [19:55]
grodyand i've lived off a 30GB vdisk for gooness knows [19:55]
sorresseanmercutio: there are 256 gb ssds available. [19:55]
brycecI did not get attachments as I recall [19:55]
mercutiosorressean: oh i didn't see. i'm suing hard-disks anyway
ime reads always get cached with sufficient ram
so unless you need fast sync write performance it doesn't really matter
[19:55]
sorresseansorressean nods [19:56]
mercutioi mean it's great for "installing"
but for usage it doesn't matter.
[19:56]
grodyi only do major disk io during builds and upgrades [19:56]
mercutioon windows on the other hand... [19:56]
grodyusually though the server mostly does net i/o and not much of that either [19:56]
mercutiogrody: buuilds you can -j + a cpu
that said ssd raid is pretty fsat.
[19:56]
grodythink i only have a single vcpu [19:57]
mercutioyeh vps's have single vcpu
butu you can still -j2
[19:57]
grodydont need anything powerful.. mostly just a private relay/server [19:57]
BryceBotThat's what she said!! [19:57]
mercutioand you won't be disk bound as much as cpu bound
that said, linking tends to bottleneck with compiles frequently.
[19:57]
grodyim -j4 on this tricore atm.. wished i didn't.. kinda need the cpu for other things and it just isn't cooperating [19:58]
mercutiogrody: nice make -j4 [19:58]
grodytook 3 mins just to bring up a bloody terminal [19:58]
mercutioit can still cache thrash a bit
you're probably swapping then
[19:58]
grody4gb ram.. [19:58]
mercutiocouuld still be swapping [19:59]
BryceBotThat's what she said!! [19:59]
mercutiochrome compiles for instance will struggle with -j4 on 4gb
depends if you're compiling c++ or not
[19:59]
grodyKiB Mem: 3785612 total, 3545752 used, 239860 free, 112904 buffers
KiB Swap: 3924988 total, 379448 used, 3545540 free. 2218092 cached Mem
ouch
[19:59]
mercutioif it's c++ and your'e swapping you might want to try clang
379mb isn't too bad
echo 20 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
and it'll decrease it a bit
that said 239mb free suggests something was uusing lots of ram and stopped
[19:59]
grodyodd how i tweak such on android but blind it to the linux laptop [20:00]
mercutioi addjust dirty_writeback_centisecs up a bit too [20:00]
BryceBotThat's what she said!! [20:00]
grodythis laptop has an at tonne of things to do
horrid for daily use, but nice for compiling etc.
[20:00]
mnathani_what live linux distro would one recommend for a system that is low on resouces (windows system - need to recover data) [20:01]
grodydsl - damn small linux [20:01]
sorresseanah, I got it working
they were linked to from the email
but when I clicked them control panel said I was already logged in and redirected me. so I had to copy the link
[20:01]
mercutiomaybe it changed
mnathani_: i'd just use arch linux myself
it's good enough.
what! microsoft's new code editor is based on chromium.
[20:03]
brycecIt's based on Github's Atom actually
(Which is in turn partly based on Chrome)
[20:04]
mercutioit's 64 bit only on linux [20:05]
brycecI'm using it right now in fact
to write a quick little Python script
[20:05]
mercutiodo you like? [20:05]
brycecSo far it's nice [20:06]
mercutiowow
it's white on black
[20:06]
brycecI like that it's much simpler than Atom [20:06]
mercutiook this is just getting weird
so microsoft are embracing node.js
[20:07]
bryceclol
Msft is embracing a lot of open-source mentalities
[20:08]
mercutioikr
it's uhh...
surprising.
[20:08]
brycecContainers, open-sourcing .Net, etc. They've realized that they want want this generation of developers to use MSFT and this is how to connect [20:09]
mercutiotbh i get pretty lost in all this new stuff
i wonder if ther's somewhere that outlines everything with a little bit of information :)
it's hard to keep up.
[20:09]
brycecThey've gone from "Here's $Product and you will bend to it" to "Oh everybody's using XYZ? Cool we'll make a product that does XYZ too." (eg, Visual Source Safe vs Git)
mercutio: /everything/ everything? like Wikipedia?
[20:10]
mercutiohaha
more like a blog that covers these things :)
[20:10]
bryceclike the ne2ws? Or are you looking for information on the stuff that was announced today specifically? [20:10]
mercutioi was looking at svg the other day. it's pretty cool, but it's yet another thing to learn about :)
stuff that's getting more popular.
like svg's now supported on all normal browsers.
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brycecSVG? You're just about a decade late to that party :P [20:11]
mercutiowell png took forever to take off :/
it wasn't that long ago that you regularly saw non-animated gifs.
[20:12]
brycecI'll take your word... non-animated were always just jpgs [20:12]
mercutioand it still wouldn't surprise me to see them. [20:12]
brycecI remember people trying to include <img src=file.bmp> [20:13]
mercutioheh
i was going to mention bmp
geocities had lots of bmp's :/
[20:13]
brycecand gifs. under construction. [20:13]
mercutioit's all paint could save i think [20:14]
grodymyspace has lots of gifs [20:14]
mercutiois anyone using webp yet? [20:14]
grodybrowsers these days seem to load like loading one of those pafes [20:14]
mercutiowoot, microsoft's code editor uses less memory than skype [20:15]
bryceclol [20:15]
grodynano has a nice bit of syntax highlighing these days [20:16]
mercutioahh and git support
yes this is a new microsoft :)
[20:16]
bryceclol :) [20:17]

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