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[12:25] *** NiTeMaRe has joined #arpnetworks [12:42] *** anis is now known as anisfarhana [12:42] *** anisfarhana has quit IRC (Changing host) [12:42] *** anisfarhana has joined #arpnetworks [12:56] staticsafe: i am now [13:06] mercutio: you think up_the_irons will announce IPs for a VPS without my own AS? [13:12] staticsafe: nope [13:13] staticsafe: do you have a /24 ? [13:13] yes [13:13] and is your provider just advertised it with their own ASN atm? [13:14] indeed [13:14] it's aRIN? [13:14] yes [13:14] looks to be $550 for an ASN and $100/year [13:14] on arin's fee schedule page. [13:15] the general issue with multiple providers doing that is it's harder to tell if people are spoofing or such. [13:15] im looking to move from my current provider, i'll be asking them to drop the announcement as soon as I'm done moving some stuff [13:16] you could always ask [13:17] new asn's juumped to 32 bits too. [13:18] * staticsafe nods [13:19] there's no real ip to asn mapping [13:20] but if too asn's advertise the same ip address it can look like one provider is spoofing the other provider [13:21] actually i wouldn't worry too much, it used to be common. [13:23] but it's not considered good practice [13:35] wow the average programmer is 42.8 years [13:35] err average age for [13:53] how can you have your own IP space but no AS Number? [13:56] someone else is announcing the IP space [14:00] arin fees are so much smaller than apnic fees. [14:00] mnathani_: that's actually pretty common for legacy space. [14:01] can you multihome like that [14:01] with no AS [14:01] nope [14:01] mnathani_: in theory yes. [14:01] would require coordination among providers? [14:01] nope [14:02] inbound multihoming or outbound ? [14:02] *** staticsafe has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1) [14:03] you can do both [14:03] does it require anything special from the providers [14:04] not really, this is how things like google getting spoofed happens [14:04] there's quite a few instances of route hijacking that happen [14:04] there's various levels of filtering... [14:05] but overall it's a sorry state of affairs. [14:06] that said; it's easy to hijack. but it's also reasonably easy to notice hijacking [14:06] but there's a reasonably real concern that if it got possible to make false certs easily for instance, it'd be easy to spoof paypal [14:07] if you can do damage in a short period of time, .. [14:08] http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2014/08/bgp_hijacking_cybercriminals_used_internet_architecture_to_mine_bitcoins.html [14:08] something like that [14:10] it's one of those issues that people have known about for years.. [14:10] just like the other issue where you can spoof anyone's ip [14:11] the spoofing people's ip addresses makes ddos's harder to track. [14:11] and it seems to be less of an issue than it used to be. [14:12] but i don't know if it is that providers have done more to stop it, or if there are just more easily hackable sites to ddos from. [14:12] there must be well known solutions to system being down when a cron job is schedule to run it anyway lataer. [14:13] arp stops you ddos'ing from random ips. [14:13] I seem to recall something like "anacron" or something [14:13] RandalSchwartz: chronie [14:13] and anacron [14:13] that stuff all got fixed years back [14:13] when linux on desktop became common :) [14:14] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Cron [14:14] seems to be lots of information on there. [14:14] thanks [14:19] http://www.bgpmon.net/bgp-optimizer-causes-thousands-of-fake-routes/ [14:20] hmm [14:22] so enzu(budgetvm) leaked routes on any2ix recently. [14:23] anyone else tracking the stock price of Amazon and Microsoft over the last few days? [14:23] nope, si it going downor up? [14:25] both going u p [14:25] MSoft %10 [14:25] Amazon closer to %15 [14:25] wow [14:25] i wonder why [14:27] wow [14:27] amazon web services made shit loads of money [14:27] its a solid product offering [14:28] it never impressed me :/ [14:28] at the low end it pretty much sucks to my mind [14:29] but they are pretty well known with some big customers. [14:29] i really don't understand why people like netflix use aws [14:30] Api to control the vms, regions for redundancy [14:30] i suuppose it has that going for it [14:30] but they have all of their servers everywhere [14:30] youu'd think they could just go in house [14:38] netflix's web site is pretty bad actually [14:40] *** staticsafe has joined #arpnetworks [14:40] http://aws.amazon.com/solutions/case-studies/netflix/ [14:40] hmm they have a case study [14:42] 10s of thousands of instances [14:43] sounds really expensive :/ [14:48] thousands of instances and hundreds of open connect appliances at the expense of service providers everywhere [15:03] they didn't design it to be used like a cloud server [15:03] "cloud" server in quotes (e.g. a VPS w/dedicated storage) [15:05] i think that's the biggest thing lots of folks don't get (not saying you don't, but it's a common misconception about aws and azure both) [15:14] m0unds++ [15:15] Ooooh.... fcron. [15:15] like regular crons on steroids [15:15] I remember fcron (et al) from my Gentoo days... [15:15] *** twobithac is now known as twobithacker [16:01] did anyone ever use the at command? [16:01] it seems underused [16:02] i uused to just use sleep && [17:35] use atq on fbsd [17:36] especially when doing updates to firewall or something critical to a server coponent incase i slam myself out remotely.. have a backup command ready to fire off after x time if i didnt jump in and stop it [17:38] s/atq/at/ - although atq is a command related too [17:39] just seemed cleaner using it in scripts instead of sleep and &(&&) [17:40] yeah [17:40] it's been around forever, i just don't see it uused much [17:42] i still suspend, bg, fg, jobs a lot too [17:42] yeah i do a bit [17:43] ah crap, i broke my bloody aosp repo again - my isp must ♥ me, be downloading like the end of the world is nigh [17:43] 13GB a pop to download it again [17:44] maybe should get a good copy, tarball it, then if i break again just use the good repo [17:44] running out of space though... and places to put drives [17:47] can'y you just back it up [17:47] oh right yeh do that :/ [17:47] or just zfs snapshot it [18:59] *** anis has joined #arpnetworks [19:00] *** anisfarhana has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [19:01] *** anis is now known as anisfarhana [19:01] *** anisfarhana has quit IRC (Changing host) [19:01] *** anisfarhana has joined #arpnetworks [20:38] mercutio++ I was going to suggest the same thing (until I got caught up this far) [20:40] I typically transfer between 500GB and 1TB a month, my ISP can suck it.