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[16:46] pang [16:49] U.U.U.U.U [16:52] what does that mean? [16:52] there'll never be another "U". :) [16:57] are u sure/ [16:58] cisco > unreachable [17:33] ahh [17:35] now playing: Pearl Jam - Let The Records Play [17:35] such a good song [17:45] i never really got into pearl jam [17:45] always loved alice in chains, soundgarden and the melvins though [17:46] oh phlux did you get something up? [17:46] i'm listening to manowar [17:47] haven't heard them in years [17:48] mnathani__: "U.U.U.U.U" was a great response! LOL [17:49] mercutio: manowar!! \m/, [18:25] my wife bought one of those little gramofon spotify connect devices, it's pretty neat [18:25] wish i could turn off the AP functionality though because it's worthless [18:47] Cute little thing. [18:48] I was using my receiver's built-in Spotify client until recently when Sony added Spotify (+Connect) to PS4 [18:48] @exch 79 EUR USD [18:48] 79 EUR -> 85.373378851393 USD (as of Fri, 17 Apr 2015 18:01:02 -0700) [18:49] i wish those kinds of things were around ages ago :/ [18:49] but now days they don't seem as helpful to me :) [18:50] like it's easier to just have a computer around [18:51] brycec: yeah, i wish my receiver had an integrated client, but it just supports pandora and ipod stuff [18:52] i figure when spotify finishes the app for xbox one, i'll move this thing up into my office (have a decent set up in there) [18:52] heh. The built-in client was pretty sparse. Usable, but not pretty. [18:53] the pandora one on mine is bad. you have to switch the receiver to pandora mode and it just has a horrible gray background that just shows text and you have to use the up and down directional arrows on the remote to thumbup/thumbdown [18:55] i used to use dlna, but the streaming clients were so picky that i gave up [18:55] i used my ps3 and a sony blu-ray player. their format support was different, so i'd regularly encounter "unplayable media" on one or the other. drove me nuts. [18:56] Yeah, my Spotify client was not much more. But on the upside, the receiver also supports dlna, smb, and will even play flacs [18:56] wow, that's nice [18:56] what make of receiver is it? [18:57] Onkyo HT-R758 [18:57] oh, nice [18:57] woot slae [18:57] i used to have an onkyo receiver [18:58] Oh snap, latest firmware added Spotify Connect [18:58] the one i have now is a denon, and it's alright but not great. i'd like to replace it w/something a little more powerful for home theater stuff [18:58] awesome [18:58] it's nice controlling the stuff from your phone or tablet or laptop or whatever [18:58] and just letting the thing play [18:58] My lady loves being able to play her Spotify while she's in the kitchen [18:59] it's nice not having to use a wimpy little bluetooth speaker or whatever too [19:00] is there some kind of wifi streaming protocol that works properly (not like dlna with a media library) [19:00] but like where server dictates what each client plays. [19:01] are the onkyo receivers good for general 2.1 sound quality? [19:01] i naerly got one before because they were really cheap [19:01] Onkyo is regarded pretty well [19:01] *is/are [19:01] btu i've had so many problems with receivers that humm etc. [19:02] like you have to press mute or the speakers make noise when no sound coming out [19:02] my cuurrent system is doing that, but it seems to be quite common.. [19:02] (Sounds like your input levels are too low forcing you to turn the volume up way too high. Or you have issues external to the receiver) [19:03] (but probably not the latter if muting resolves it) [19:03] my input level did drop a bit. [19:03] i should change back to my other dac. [19:03] My inputs are all line/digital [19:03] it's worse on the other system. [19:03] i'm using external dac. [19:03] hmm [19:03] i've been uusing external dac's forever [19:04] it's not as bad on my cheap topping amp [19:04] but i'm still not sure how much load i can put through it [19:04] As for some magical wifi protocol to control slaves... You're bordering on home automation territory. SONOS might do that [19:04] i used to use esd years ago [19:04] and the synchronisation was terrible [19:05] but it was lower overhead for mp3s than decoding locally [19:05] Yeah, audio sync is going to be a problem with Pulseaudio, RTP streams, esd, etc [19:05] yeah i was wondering if something could use a microphone or such [19:05] I know that Sonos can keep speakers in sync though. [19:05] to improve sync [19:05] when it's nearby [19:05] if it's distant sync is less of an issue :) [19:06] what i really want to be able to do is have the same music in kitchen as other rooms [19:06] but not have skype etc [19:06] (again, that's what Sonos and other home automation stuff are intended to do) [19:07] and i have an extra soundcard if that makes it easier. [19:07] ahh [19:07] i wonder if i should juust use different speakers for music/phone calls [19:07] hangon i want skype in the kitchen :) [19:07] Google "whole home audio" [19:08] atm whenever i boil the jug when i'm on a skype call i can't continuue conversation [19:08] it completely drowns out :) [19:09] erk it needs wine? [19:09] What needs wine? [19:09] yeah this looks propietary [19:09] sonos [19:09] It's definitely proprietary :p [19:09] yeah when i said standard [19:09] i meant like open standard [19:09] at least as open as dlna :/ [19:10] The "open standard" is to hardwire everything together :p [19:10] yeh there's an issue there [19:10] something adhoc is fine :/ [19:11] buut something closed off isn't [19:11] So I gather. (This is just based on the few years I've done consulting for home automation... And the people who could afford that stuff could afford to Do It Right(tm)) [19:12] (And the people who couldn't afford to do it, the cheaper way was still to run cables :p) [19:13] Oh come to think of it... I think Airplay can do it. [19:13] That's what she said!! [19:13] it's sorta-open [19:14] ok what if i had wifi client for audio on both systems [19:14] so they get the same latency [19:14] oh but the isseu is being out of sync [19:15] and using lcock would fix that [19:15] i can run ethernet some of the time. [19:15] if just to get clock synced better [19:15] i just can't close the door.. [19:16] I wonder if https://www.thisisbeep.com/ ever came to fruition [19:19] oh that looks good [19:19] Yep looks like Airplay is the broken-open protocol you're seeking. [19:19] does wifi support multicast? [19:19] Yes [19:19] (But that doesn't sync on its own) [19:20] it would give some level of a starting point though? [19:20] As much as esd does [19:20] because wifi receive delay on different systems should be reasonably constant shouldn't it? [19:20] esd is terrible [19:20] Pulseaudio has builtin multicast support. [19:21] oh god i hope it's not that bad :) [19:21] No it wouldn't be constant nor consistent. [19:21] Literally there's a checkbox in paprefs [19:21] oh [19:21] "Enable Multicast/RTP receiver" [19:21] (and sender) [19:21] i still need to get it from windows because i'm using foobar2000 [19:22] Cheap tiny computer line in/out? eg RPI [19:22] i'm going to putu a whole computer in kitchen [19:22] with hard-drives [19:22] it gets the noise away and may heat it a little for winter :) [19:24] hmm google shows lots of people wanting to do multiroom audio [19:26] http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=134943 [19:26] this looks easiest so far [19:33] Ooh I remember the Logitech Squeezebox [19:37] Yeah this is exactly what you were looking for :p http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/SlimProto_TCP_protocol and [broken-]open too [19:42] http://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_upnp [19:42] i wonder how bad dlna is [19:53] DLNA seems to work for me. [19:54] for some reason audio stopped working at all in linux :/ [19:55] it's new in linux 4 anyway [19:55] so it may be buggy [19:55] radeon only just added support for audio over displayport. [19:56] w00t So the Spotify update for my receiver turns it into a full-fledged Spotify Connect device, including the ability to connect to it when it's in standby and start playing music immediately. This is even easier than using the PS4 for Spotify from the kitchen :D [19:59] awesome [20:00] Of all the people we interview on FLOSS Weekly, the only ones I dread are those who insist on using Linux. :) [20:00] Audio for those shows is almost always a pain. [20:01] heh, I bet [20:02] invariably, they fail to select the headset mic, or believe that their laptop mic "works ok" because they have done numerous google hangouts with it. [20:02] All I can do is start talking about "inverse square law". :) [20:02] I have !BSD/*nix machines around just for that purpose. Well not *just* but it's one reason I still use my MacbookPro [20:03] but even for people wearing headsets, we have them tap their headset mic, only to inform them that they have selected some *other* mic instead. [20:03] it's very clear to me when they're not using a mic that is 2-3 inches from their mouth [20:03] heh I did that on a phone call once, had the wrong mic selected [20:03] the room noise is very clear. [20:03] well - the room noise makes them very unclear :) [20:04] heh [20:04] my instructions insist on broadband, and a mic no further from their mouth than 2-3 inche [20:04] I don't know why people ignore that. [20:04] "can't we just do this over the phone?"... NOOO [20:05] "can't I just use my laptop mic or webcam mic?" ... NOOO [20:08] i was quite impressed by my microphone. [20:08] it seems to work surprisingly well even if you don't position it well [20:08] and i'm normally furhter than 2 or 3 inches from it [20:09] (Oh geez... I can control the living room receiver from my office, and that includes turning the volume up loud enough for me to clearly listen to music in here. I'm afraid to hear how loud it is in the living room.) [20:09] i got pissed off at trying to buy cheap "good enough" microphones [20:09] and just got one rated highly on special [20:10] oh yeah headset is always going to be better for room noise [20:11] i think i'm going to have to reboot to fix audio :( [20:14] brycec: just leave some earplugs in the living room, lol [20:15] And to hell with the neibours next door and downstairs, right m0unds ? [20:15] they're just unlucky having to live below and next door [20:15] * brycec is going with "it's 8pm Friday night, stfu" if anyone asks [20:15] curiously my tablet has a better microphone than my phone [20:15] hahahah [20:15] SORRY I COULDN'T HEAR YOU POUNDING ON THE WALLS, MY MUSIC WAS TOO LOUD [20:16] pretty nifty being able to control the other volume [20:16] lol m0unds [20:16] could always just get a bowl and put a bunch of those jobsite earplugs in it and put it outside your door [20:17] lol [20:42] Downstairs neighbour just complained [20:43] *** dj_goku_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [20:49] haha [20:49] were tehy nice about it? [21:09] Yeah [21:09] I've interacted with him before. He's a reasonably cool guy. Asked me to turn down the bass. [21:10] And I'm currently fighting with my steamos machine so it's silent anyways :p [22:04] you have a steamos box? [22:04] what's it like? [22:04] is it official or unofficial? [22:04] "steambox" would be official [22:04] ahh [22:04] "steamos box" is a box I installed steamos upon [22:04] do you like it? [22:04] *shrug* [22:04] I barely, if ever use it [22:05] Mostly as an XBMC machine [22:05] kodi :/ [22:05] xbmc seems pretty cool [22:05] and xbmc is a nicer name [22:05] It's been so long since I touched it, it's still running XBMC :P [22:05] ahh [22:06] i have kodi 14.2 [22:06] i have no idea what's current [22:06] but that seems a high version number than i remembver [22:06] well, I mean, if it were running... Currently dealing with *something* that just won't start and stay running and causes X to enter a reboot loop. [22:06] it still looks like the old xbox used to look :/ [22:06] *restart loop [22:07] damn\ [22:07] (And before this, it was Valve forcing Nvidia 343 which removed support for the ION gfx chipset. Thank goodness it's just a Debian machine underneath) [22:08] ion gfx is pretty old now isn't it [22:08] Oh and thank you http://www.stephensonsrocket.horse/ [22:08] mercutio: yes. [22:08] (relatively) [22:09] I don't fault NVidia for removing support from their latest driver package. [22:09] yeah open source maintains support for longer with things generally [22:09] But it did prove inconvenient, particularly because SteamOS' auto-update just blindly installed 343. Suddenly the machine doesn't work with no indication why. [22:10] i had similar issues with windows 10 and amd support :/ [22:10] except i don't have an old video card, the amd driver just stopped working properly. [22:11] windows is including proper video card drivers these days it seems [22:11] windows is finally catching up to linux with driver support out of the box [22:47] i don't think i've had to install a driver since win7 [22:48] maybe vista, depending on the hw [22:48] i'd say that linux might have more support out of the box, but it also had a reputation for having shitty, broken drivers or incomplete drivers for lots of hardware [22:51] Depends who you talk to really. [22:52] I've got X working. And I had XBMC working... then I upgraded to Kodi and Kodi crashes somewhere in libudev. Ugh. [22:52] my ethernet isn't supported in windows 7 on this motherboard [22:52] Oh and it was Steam itself that seems to get itself into a crash loop. [22:52] and the base amd video drivers in old windows don't support 3d or high resolution iirc [22:53] actuually i think i'm stuck with 256 colour or something by defauult :/ [22:56] woot! Kodi runs now [22:58] Apparently I'm so accustomed to bt/wifi/rf remotes that I forget I have to point the IR remote at the receiver. [22:58] rf is normal now days isn't it? [22:58] Couldn't tell you [22:58] actually maybe ir is [22:58] But I'm usually using a Wiimote or my phone as a remote [22:58] fg [22:58] my tablet can act as an ir remote [23:05] i dont think ive seen 256 color default in windows since xp [23:05] i think it's more that IR are brighter than they used to be [23:06] vista could acquire 3d capable drivers like win7 can, but it was up to the mfg to keep them updated w msft [23:07] my shell is super laggy for some reason [23:08] agh [23:26] my smokepings look pretty normal [23:57] * brycec declares victory on his SteamOS box running kodi, HDMI, 1080p, 5.1 [23:58] I mean, it would be nice if I could run Steam on it too... but that's definitely not my top priority. [23:58] heh [23:59] how does steamos compare to normal linux distributions ? [23:59] It's basically Debian Testing [23:59] so it's like rolling release debian [23:59] With Steam's own repo taking over the bulk of things. [23:59] Yep