[00:34] *** nesta has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [00:54] *** nesta has joined #arpnetworks [02:04] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Biostar-AM1ML-Coreboot-Port [02:04] cheap amd motherboard with coreboot support [02:04] kind of nifty [04:43] *** carvite has quit IRC (Quit: Reconnecting) [04:43] *** carvite has joined #arpnetworks [04:44] *** carvite has quit IRC (Client Quit) [04:44] *** carvite has joined #arpnetworks [04:54] *** ix33 has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [05:21] *** ix33 has joined #arpnetworks [05:57] *** josephb has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [05:58] *** josephb has joined #arpnetworks [07:02] Alright, so what do you folks do to back up your home computers? [07:03] just tar.xf your home and etc dirs? [07:03] tar.gz even [07:34] i mean, obviously rsync it [07:34] nevermind [07:34] i'll just compress it how i want :P [07:43] *** carvite has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [07:44] *** carvite has joined #arpnetworks [09:28] I do a clone every day, and when I'm home, I clone that clone to a drobo [09:28] I also use backblaze, which in theory shoves everything of interest into the cloud. [09:28] TO THE CLOUD!!! [09:28] that's what she said! [11:39] if I have the arp VPN, do I still need to use ssh to tunnel vnc? [11:53] apparently yes still [11:54] And ugh! the FreeBSD DVDs arp provides don't have a fixit shell! [11:54] they're "disc1". [11:55] I'll have to figure out what should be mounted instead. [12:07] got it. need the dvd1 release, not the disc1 release. :( [12:07] support@ request made. [12:08] hopefully filled soon because otherwise all our machines are at risk if they ever fail to boot. [12:18] phlux: I use duplicity for my backups :) [12:23] *** mnathani_ has joined #arpnetworks [12:50] Tarsnap for data, git (and the rcm suite of programs) for dotfiles. But then my git repos are backed up with tarsnap. [13:10] Most of the stuff I want to keep backups of in git and i push to a remote repo when i make changes, but I also use duplicity for backing up home dirs [13:13] I don't do whole machine backups any more. I can re-build a machine from an OS installation and either ansible or puppet [13:14] Yeah, it's pretty pointless to backup /bin, /usr, etc. Just a waste of space. [13:23] can a raspberry pi be used to control the power (on/off) of a power bar [13:24] Ideally, I would like to connect to the pi over network and toggle the switch [13:31] In short, yes. [13:31] On its own, no. [13:31] But can you toggle an opto-relay from a GPIO? Of course. It's widely documented. [13:38] *** poulsen has joined #arpnetworks [13:38] i use crashplan to backup desktop & notebook computers to my nas and to teh klaud. i rsync data from my remote servers to my nas, which also gets backed up to teh klaud [13:39] i have some old stuff that i need to keep encrypted and stored in glacier, and some critical stuff encrypted and stored on s3 as well. photos get backed up to the nas -> crashplan and also to smugmug [13:42] would you recommend another solution for IP based power toggle? [13:43] tripplite makes some decent managed power stuff [13:43] their isobar surge protection stuff is really good and less expensive than some alternatives [13:44] triggering a relay via gpio on an rpi sounds like a fun project (i've done similar to control a fermenter) [13:45] mnathani_: There are probably cheaper ready-made stuff. Eg. Belkin's line of WeMo stuff. [13:45] yeah, mfi by ubiquiti has some power products too, iirc [13:45] (depending on how "professional" you're looking) [13:46] https://www.ubnt.com/products/#all/controlautomation [13:46] my buddy used mfi stuff and a home built fan box to control the aerator on his septic tank [13:47] brycec: nothing too fancy, just needs to have IP connectivity [13:48] or an app I guess [13:52] http://www.amazon.com/WeMo-Electronics-Anywhere-Automation-Smartphones/dp/B00BB2MMNE/ $43 USD for what it's worth, wifi, app, ifttt.com integration, etc. [13:52] Amazon: "Belkin WeMo Switch, Control Your Electronics From Anywhere with the Home Automation App for Smartphones and Tablets, Wi-Fi Enabled" [13:52] May or may not be the fanciest one or cheapest, but it is aimed to be easy and the like. [13:52] (I have 0 experience with any consumer remote power switch, for the record) [13:53] Apparently http://www.amazon.com/WeMo-Electronics-Anywhere-Automation-Smartphones/dp/B00EOEDJ9W/ $53USD can also monitor usage [13:53] Amazon: "Belkin WeMo Insight Switch, Control Your Electronics and Monitor Energy Usage From Anywhere with the Home Automation App for Smartphones and Tablets, Wi-Fi Enabled" [13:54] great [13:54] ordered from Amazon [13:55] Cool, good luck :) [13:55] brycec: Thanks [13:55] mnathani_: Out of curiosity, what are you controlling? [13:56] In my life, I've never seen a need for a remotely controlled power outlet [13:56] So I'm curious what need you found. [13:57] I have some cisco equipment in my room, hooked up to a single power bar [13:57] its for my home lab [13:57] I can access it remotely once its on [13:57] but it needs to be manually powered on at this point [13:57] And you need to remotely power-toggle it? [13:57] yes, since it will be accessed remotely [13:57] that or, get someone at home to switch it on [13:58] Ah. You said "home" and I sorta assumed that meant you would be at home with it :p [13:58] And leaving it on all the time would obviously be wasteful. [14:00] loud more than anything else [14:01] If you're not home to hear it... [14:02] being considerate to other residents of the household, I guess :-) [14:07] i can understand not wanting to have that kind of stuff on at home [14:07] while you're home. [14:09] what i don't understand is why "server" gear automatically seems to mean not having fan speed adjustment etc in some gear [14:10] 1u servers are always going to be a little hard to have quiet [14:10] "server" usually means assuming that noise/volume is not an issue. Then you realize you can remove a component that may potentially fail, a fan controller or speed logic, and just let the fan run at full speed. [14:11] At least, that was our logic when I worked for a company that built servers. Except the motherboard still had a fan controller anyways and we used that [14:12] PWM controller or whatever? [14:12] when i was looking at infiniband switches you can get them "kind of cheap" but "EXTREMELEY NOISY" [14:12] and someone said about doing replacements with noctura making a huge difference [14:12] m0unds: yeah the onboard 3- and 4-pin headers :p [14:13] brycec: i have to use ear plugs in "server rooms" [14:13] i had a headset i would wear if i had to work in the server room for more than a minute or so [14:13] ^ OSHA guidelines dictate the same for any non-brief time spent. [14:13] if people cared a little more about noise maybe that woldn't be the case [14:13] shooting muffs, kept them in my bag because my employer refused to furnish them [14:13] heh [14:14] now they're in my truck in case i forget to throw my nicer ones in my bag when i go shooting, haha [14:14] We definitely didn't really care about noise complaints. The fact that people would buy them and put them under the receptionist's desk was on them. They bought a "server" and should treat it as such, dammit. [14:14] brycec: yeh different people have different ideas about servers [14:14] and switches [14:14] switches can be noisier than servers [14:15] i think people unfamiliar with that stuff just assume it's like desktop computers on wire racks in a room somewhere [14:15] buut it's because they do 6000+ rpm on the fans contsntaly often :/ [14:15] m0unds: And some are :p (eg MacMiniColo.net) [14:15] and don't realize how unholy loud it can be w/switchgear, servers, etc all running in a confined space w/air handlers and other shit running [14:15] well there's extra power use from higher fan speeds too [14:15] right [14:15] frontrangehosting up in denver did it too [14:15] and there's some other colo company that does it [14:16] Extraordinarily minimal difference in power usage on those small fans. [14:16] i think doubule temperature control would be cool [14:16] like "internal" temperature control and "external tempeature control [14:16] but extenral being fed from IP oir such [14:16] ^ Many motherboards can sense inlet and outlet temperature [14:16] because if you're running at 60c [14:16] but the room temp is 40c [14:17] running higher fan speeds probably won't even make much diff [14:17] brycec: yeah but it may be too "close" [14:17] ehh, it was alright on microATX formfactor stuff w/ivy bridge intel cpus on it - you tell the BIOS how you have the fans set up and it bases fan speed on that [14:18] did a reasonable job w/those boards (intel boards, 3700 cpus) [14:18] despite them being tiny and the enclosures being tiny [14:19] supplement it w/some sane minimum fan speeds if it's not doing what you want and it works out reasonably well [14:21] at 40c the cooling in the server room has probably failed, everything tries to save itself :) [14:22] which will increase power draw. [14:22] power draw isn't a big concern if cooling failed, getting cooling working again is, haha [14:22] yeh it is [14:23] but failuure time can be pretty short... [14:23] power draw increases heat. [14:23] even if servers are idle [14:23] sure [14:24] but even buying a few minutes would be a good thing [14:24] that's why backup cooling exists [14:24] i'd rather not grenade hardware for no reason [14:24] m0unds: yeh sometimes backup can fail at the same time [14:24] deal with that if it's the case [14:25] i don't know how common it is, i was reading about failures when i was reading about server room temperatures. [14:25] you should deal with that, but if you get 45 minutes instead of 40 minutes [14:25] it makes it easier to deal with that. [14:26] i think the usual "solution" is to turn off some people [14:26] http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2015/01/06/heatwave-cooling-failure-bring-iinet-data-center-down-in-perth/ [14:27] like that's one example [14:27] from what i understand that article minimises the failures that users experienced, and lots of users couldn't authenticate etc. [14:28] well, that sounds like multiple primary cooling failures [14:28] yeh [14:28] if they added "backup cooling" as a future solution [14:28] but collobrative cooling would improve things a little. [14:29] i saw iinet and thought of infinity internet up in portland (now easystreet) [14:29] had a couple friends who worked there [14:29] iinet is a huge provider in australia i think [14:29] it'd probably be like verizon or somethign in the US [14:29] yea, different company. just saw the name in the url and thought of infinity [14:31] i'm curious what'll happen with electronics power draw decreasing. [14:31] here adsl/vdsl cabinets all have cooling. [14:32] i don't know how redundant they are, but that kind of area may be a better place to start. [14:32] same here, also catv equipment cabinets [14:32] as you can hear the cabinets :/ [14:32] pretty loud too [14:32] they always get grafitti on them. [14:32] so there was some initiative to put artwork on them. [18:21] *** poulsen has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [18:31] i was applying some seed to my lawn and it comes mixed with this fertilizer and bright green shredded fiber stuff to help it to stay put. i found a very unhappy, very green spider in it. [18:31] i think she climbed in the bag and couldn't get out [18:32] haha [18:40] bloody hell [18:40] so motherboard doesn't like new cpus :/ [18:40] have to put old cpu in to do bios update [18:41] the only "new" cpu i have is in my server [18:44] err new old [18:44] it's haswell vs haswell refresh [18:49] bummer [18:51] i may have to update bios on my server too [18:51] i do dhcp bios updates normally, but dhcp is on the server [19:17] *** mnathani_ has quit IRC () [19:32] *** mnathani_ has joined #arpnetworks [19:33] Could be worse... you could have bought a new motherboard and cpu and not have an old cpu to swap in for the bios update :p [19:34] *** MrMorden has joined #arpnetworks [19:35] (Our motherboard supplier silently started shipping boards with an old BIOS, only we didn't know it was an old BIOS or that anything had changed so we thought we had a giant batch of bad boards. Ugh.) [19:44] *** MrMorden has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3) [19:45] *** bsa3 has joined #arpnetworks [19:45] *** bsa3 is now known as MrMorden [19:48] ugh, that's annoying [19:55] *** MrMorden has left "WeeChat 0.4.3" [19:55] *** MrMorden has joined #arpnetworks [21:14] brycec: so much screwing around [21:15] now i found out motherboard has mini displayport instead of displayport [21:15] brycec: did they just not post? [21:15] i suppose you couldn't tell [21:15] i managed to boot the board with old cpu and upgrade bios [21:16] now i have to figure out how to boot uefi shell again [21:16] (it was easy on the other monitor, this one shows nothing for ages) [21:18] and asus are ick [21:18] i'm still trying to figure out how to display secure boot [21:57] "A failed software update caused the heat to rise rapidly in one part of a Microsoft data center, causing an outage of up to 16 hours for Outlook.com, Hotmail, and the Skydrive storage service." [22:17] yeah kind of scary [22:19] acf__ :do you have a link for that story? [22:22] i seem to be stuck with samba doing twice as fast write speeds as reads :( [22:22] the other way around would be nicer. [22:23] Correct, no post/no boot. We couldn't tell anything. Wasn't until some back and forth with the vendor ("we're using this CPU" "be sure you're using bios version >X" "Of course we are, that's the version you're supposed to be flashing before shipping these" etc) [22:24] did it have the bios version written on the motherboard? [22:24] i thought asus were meant to have nice bios's. it's worse than asrock :( [22:24] even asrock z77 is better than the asus z87 [22:25] mercutio: As it happens it does have a sticker on the BIOS ROM, but it was coded (eg didn't simply read "V. 1.01") [22:25] Eventually we did notice the difference in stickers and it all made sense [22:25] And all boiled down to them failing to include the BIOS they were supposed to [22:26] (among other slight failures) And a great lesson was learned :p [22:27] ahh [22:27] i had a motherboard rom failure [22:27] and i had to get a new rom, and i noticed that my one mentioned the bios version fine. [22:27] its' not acutally that hard to change the rom chip [22:27] and they sent me a replacement rom [22:28] they seem to socket them [22:28] Not many vendors seem to socket them these days [22:28] My desktop ASUS boards don't, my Intel boards don't... [22:28] lots of them do dual bios [22:28] oh? [22:28] well this was asrock [22:29] it seems it may have been intel me getting corrupt [22:29] heh [22:29] i wonder if asus do dual bios [22:46] *** nesta_ has joined #arpnetworks [22:47] *** mhoran_ has joined #arpnetworks [22:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mhoran_ [22:48] *** ydorg has joined #arpnetworks [22:55] *** ix33 has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [22:55] *** nesta has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [22:55] *** grody has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [22:55] *** jlgaddis has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [22:55] *** up_the_irons has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [22:55] *** tellnes has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [22:55] *** mhoran has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [22:55] *** nesta_ is now known as nesta [22:57] *** tellnes has joined #arpnetworks [23:02] *** up_the_irons has joined #arpnetworks [23:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o up_the_irons [23:03] *** ix33 has joined #arpnetworks [23:41] mnathani_: it's from the one mercutio linked earlier [23:42] the iinet one [23:42] http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2015/01/06/heatwave-cooling-failure-bring-iinet-data-center-down-in-perth/ [23:42] http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2015/01/06/heatwave-cooling-failure-bring-iinet-data-center-down-in-perth/ [23:42] haha [23:43] http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2013/03/14/heat-spike-in-data-center-caused-hotmail-outage/ [23:43] i didn't realise hotmail localised mailboxes. [23:44] i kind of figured they'd have some kind of "cloud" storage. [23:47] i suppose it is free mail [23:49] *** acf__ has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host) [23:54] acf__ mercutio: thanks for reposting the link [23:55] *** acf__ has joined #arpnetworks