[02:56] *** mercutio has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [02:57] *** dwarren has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [02:58] *** dwarren has joined #arpnetworks [03:12] *** dwarren has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [03:13] *** dwarren has joined #arpnetworks [03:14] *** bitslip_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [03:15] *** bitslip has joined #arpnetworks [03:23] *** mercutio has joined #arpnetworks [03:24] *** mercutio is now known as Guest5887 [03:38] now its' my turun to get disconnected [03:39] *** Guest5887 is now known as mercutio [07:06] really must remind card company arpnetworks is a regular foreign transaction [07:07] they blocked last two forbsome reason but finally let it go through [07:09] cheeky sh1ts have started charging currency conversion too [07:10] i wonder if my paypal mc will charge currency conv if i use that to pay arp [07:11] Maybe you could use BTC? [07:11] arp accepts bitcoins? [07:11] i has 3.something [07:13] 3.765 [07:27] and the audacity, two of my staff are moaning i paid them today instead of tomorrow, which is a bank hokiday, as is monday.. next time ill pay them after [07:28] * grody mutters incoherently towards a pub [09:16] *** staticsafe has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [09:16] *** staticsafe has joined #arpnetworks [10:44] *** nesta has joined #arpnetworks [11:03] Since you mentioned SMTP auth attacks yesterday, I've noticed I'm getting hit with them too. *sigh* Nothing simple rate-limiting shouldn't take care of. [11:03] interesting [11:07] (Not on ARP - I don't run a mail service on ARP, but a different server I admin) [11:54] brycec: with things like that it tends to be "everywhere" [11:56] grody: paypal conversion fees are higher than my bank [11:56] my bank doesn't charge fees for currency conversion til a certain $ amt [11:56] like $500 or $1000 or something [11:56] oh interesting [11:56] i have flat 2.5% charge [11:57] yeah, my old bank was about that [11:59] i must remember to do something about that [11:59] i'm sure there'll be a way to get lower % [12:16] my shells didn't die after a day idle [12:39] It seemed equally likely to be an "everywhere" thing as being a "targeted subnet" thing. Regardless, I included the information. 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[15:25] possibility that I might be on the wrong end of GamerGate next wednesday, so I need to make sure all my security patches are in. [15:29] Good luck. [15:31] Yeah... freebsdgirl says I'm not likely going to be targetted, but since we're presenting her point of view (which the idiots hate), it might go sour for people in the crossfire. [15:32] I think this will be one episode where I won't mention my email address, even though it's on the website [15:43] *** gizmoguy_ is now known as gizmoguy [15:49] so there may be more ddos attacks? [16:23] hard to tell [16:24] randi isn't sure, but some of the famous people in GG have been doxed. [16:24] I have nothing to hide, so that won't be much of an issue. [16:24] That's what she said!! [16:41] You say that now, until you are "swatted" [16:53] *** hive-mind has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [17:03] nothign to hide doesn't mean not beign attacked :) [17:06] ^ precisely my point [17:06] And in this day and age, it could be cyberattacks, and it could be physical. [17:06] kind of scary isn't it. [17:07] It is, and it's truly saddening + maddening. [17:07] i keep expecting my phone number to be cyberattacked when i have it listed on whois [17:07] for some reason it doesn't seem to be a problem. [17:07] but i'd much rather have "open contact details" [17:07] and yet a part of me is kind of paranoid. [17:08] the problem isn't that i have anything to hide or anything. [17:08] it's just that there's kind of non-descriminate cyberstalking etc these days. [17:09] i think the cheap voip phone calls thing made more telemarketers canvas normal phone numbers. [17:09] but it doesn't seem targeted yet. [17:10] but it's not a if, rather a when. [17:30] *** hive-mind has joined #arpnetworks [17:38] it's awesome that we live in an age where you disagree with a POV and attack the person, their livelihood, whatever instead of trying to have intelligent discussion with them [17:38] indeed [17:39] staticsafe: forgot to ask you- what'd you think of tycho's visual stuff? [17:40] prettttttttty [17:54] haha, right on :) [17:54] m0unds1: blame the internet [17:54] i don't need to blame anything [17:55] people are just turning into sociopaths [17:55] there has been growing research suggesting that internet use makes people more shortsighted with short attention spans, less deep thinking etc. [17:55] *** m0unds1 is now known as m0unds [17:55] what were you saying? [17:55] although i don't think it's "new" i think it's getting worse. [17:56] *** m0unds has left "stupid freenode" [17:56] *** m0unds has joined #arpnetworks [17:56] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/7967894/How-the-Internet-is-making-us-stupid.html [17:57] it could be that it's worse for younger people that grew up with the internet [17:57] it doesn't help that parents seem to think that giving smartphones and tablets to children is a good idea [17:58] i don't have any children, and am undecided about whether it's good or bad m0unds -- but schools here are requiring tablets, internet at hoem etc now. [17:58] like, super young kids who end up with absurdly short attention spans, can't read a book, etc because they're in such desperate need of electronic stimulus [17:58] and if you're 13 and don't have a smartphone you'll be kind of outcast afaik [17:59] dunno about that, most of my friends' kids who are around that age don't have smartphones and are happy [17:59] some of them have new fancy iphones etc too [17:59] might be regional, kids in other countries could be dicks more than they are here [17:59] m0unds: maybe it's diff there? [17:59] well my friend has kids [18:00] and the school starts at like 11 years old? [18:00] and they require tablets etc. [18:00] it's a "byod" policy. [18:00] which allows ipads, google tablets, chromebooks etc, afaik. [18:02] what weirded me otu is that they use tablets for email [18:02] *** mjp has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [18:03] *** m0unds__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [18:03] sure, but there's a difference between cirriculum driven by devices and living and breathing every waking moment with a phone or tablet [18:03] *** mjp has joined #arpnetworks [18:04] *** m0unds_ has joined #arpnetworks [18:04] m0unds: network problems? [18:04] no, stupid freenode nickserv was spitting out garbage when i was trying to auth [18:04] ahh [18:04] so i just reconnected and it seemed fine after [18:05] i wonder if there are any studies to show smartphone ownership at 13 yo [18:05] it seems disconcerting to me. [18:10] this statistic says 57% of 12 to 13 year olds have cellphones, and 87% of 14 to 17 [18:11] although that's not smartphone necessarily [18:24] But in this day and age, it's almost guaranteed to be a smartphone. "Dumbphones" are increasingly rare [18:25] yeah [18:38] true [18:38] so yeah when tehy reach 14 ytou kind of have to? [18:39] and when tehy're 12 you kind of have to consider it [18:43] I've got a big solo concert to do tomorrow guys [18:43] and I'm nervous [18:43] I even had to get a permit from the City of New Orleans to play [18:44] what do you play? [18:45] guitar, harmonica, and vocals [18:45] awesome [18:45] break a leg [18:45] but I can play piano, banjo, bass, and violin [18:45] I just don't during my solo shows [18:45] tomorrow is one of the biggest ones I've ever done [18:46] I've got sound checks starting at 12 noon, I go on at 1700, and I'm slotted from 1700 - 2000 [18:46] 3 hours? [18:46] Yep [18:46] Long show [18:46] That's what she said!! [18:46] I'm headlining [18:46] wow [18:46] sounds exciting [18:46] and scary :) [18:46] Haha, make or break time really [18:46] This could be huge for me [18:47] maybe have a shot or two? [18:47] On the other hand, it could ruin any hopes I've ever had at attaining a music career [18:47] i found chartreuse amazing [18:47] That's what she said!! [18:47] Oh definitely [18:47] err find [18:47] it's like amazingly rejuvinating not just drunk-feeling [18:47] phlux: you play violin? I started learning it... fucking hard. Guitar was easy. ;) [18:47] I'll be out there a solid 5 hours before I go on, so I'll be diving in the alcohol a little bit before I take on the stage [18:48] up_the_irons: I've been playing guitar since I was 5 (took lessons at my father's request) [18:48] I just took to strings naturally after that [18:48] Piano helped me learn everything I wanted [18:48] i play guitar, bass, drums and pianner [18:48] upright bass is fun, but i have no space for one :) [18:48] * mercutio has never herad of pianner [18:49] @google pianner [18:49] 3,340 total results returned for 'pianner', here's 3 [18:49] Urban Dictionary: pianner (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pianner) Feb 6, 2009 ... Gather 'round the pianner and play us a tune, Wheezy Joe. 2. Clarence, get off that pianner you're knockin' the glasses everywhere! [18:49] File:Sanna bei Pians.jpg - Wikimedia Commons (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sanna_bei_Pians.jpg) Oct 29, 2013 ... Deutsch: Die Sanna bei Pians - Pianner Schwall. Date, 2 November 2004 (first version); 2 November 2004 (last version). Source, Transferred ... [18:49] List of tunnels in the Alps - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tunnels_in_the_Alps) ... Tunnel (2,993 m); Pianner/Quadratscher Tunnel · Roppener Tunnel (5,095 m); Strenger Tunnel (5,851 m); Tschirgant Tunnel (4,310 m, under construction) ... [18:49] phlux: yeah i've played guitar since i was like 10... thought violin would "just be another string instrument"... nah was way harder ;) [18:49] yeah i'm googling it [18:49] not very succesfully :) [18:49] piano :) [18:49] is it a sepcial piano? [18:49] or is just a funny term for it? [18:50] just a silly word for it [18:50] ok [18:50] up_the_irons: it's difficult getting used to fretless instruments after playing guitar [18:50] guitar makes everything easy because the frets are predetermined [18:51] yeah, going from having frets or at least fret markers (on fretless electric for instance) to having nothing is pretty tough [18:51] phlux: yeah it's hard for me to get used to [18:52] I find a certain freedom in a fretless instrument, though [18:52] i'm always second guessing myself [18:52] I can find odd notes that I'd never hit with my guitar [18:52] I use my slide often when I'm playing with others [18:52] "was that slightly sharp/flat?" [18:53] haha [18:53] I'm a freaking perfectionist when it comes to that stuff [18:53] I will not settle for "close enough" [18:53] how do you eventually get it perfect every time? [18:53] do you feel it, or hear it, or both? [18:53] maybe being off slightly adds character. [18:53] mercutio: no, it just sounds like crap [18:53] ;) [18:53] I hired a band for my wedding, and the dude played a "D" when it should've been a D7 (forget the song, but distinctly remember being able to play it myself) and I gave him a glare [18:53] i've never tried playing a fretless instrument [18:54] phlux: haha [18:54] up_the_irons: practice, practice, practice. When you feel like you've practiced enough, practice again. [18:54] phlux: lol [18:54] I beat the living shit out of some violins learning how to get things right [18:54] I get so frustrated when I'm not perfect [18:55] the closest i've experienced is bends on guitar. [18:55] get yourself a slide [18:55] it essentially makes you fretless [18:57] hmm, pianos often sound badly tuned to me [18:57] it happens [18:57] probably because it's harder to tune them. [18:57] it is hard to tune [18:57] i've always hired someone [18:58] i has a keyboard. [18:58] it sounds terrible. [18:58] but it has midi, and they keys that do light/firm pushes. [18:58] or wahtever you call it. [18:59] so i assume it's probably possible to improve the sound [18:59] but expensive pianos do actually sound pretty awesome [19:00] even if you can hardly play like me [19:00] phlux: do you get paid to play? [19:01] velocity sensitive keys? [19:01] yeah, is that what you call it [19:01] i have a yamaha electric piano thing [19:02] slightly shorter than a full scale [19:02] i have casio ctk-900 [19:02] so seems short? [19:02] 61 keys [19:02] it's 83 normally isn't it? [19:03] 88 [19:03] oh it's 88 normally [19:03] isn't 83 how many keys pc xt has? [19:03] seems it is :) [19:40] *** jpalmer has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2) [19:49] mercutio: yep, I do. $250/hr right now [19:49] so I'll pull home $750 tomorrow [19:50] does that include the 5 hours? [19:50] ahh [19:50] maybe one day I'll be famous and I can charge $10k/hr like Pearl Jam :P [19:50] is that how much they charge? [19:50] how much does each person make? [19:50] from what i've heard starving artist tends to be where it's at for most musicians [19:51] and that lots of lower musicians make more money teaching people to play than playing themselves. [19:51] that's true [19:52] I make a lot more money being in the USCG than I do performing :P [19:52] I'd love to quit the CG though [19:52] Focus on the music [19:52] so it's more about because you want to than to make money [19:52] but I have a wife and child to support [19:52] yeah right now it is [19:52] but if I focused on it primarily, I'd need to support my family somehow [19:52] by teaching :/ [19:53] you could lose your passion i supupose [20:06] *** Seju has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [20:12] nah I could definitely teach [20:12] I love teaching [20:12] When I teach, I always think maybe I'm instructing the next Hendrix or something [20:13] and that, thanks to me, this dude is going to be hugely famous someday [20:13] and *I* gave him/her a skill that they can use for the rest of their lives regardless of age or occupation [20:13] While my friends were learning how to play football, I was learning music [20:13] Now, I still watch football, believe me [20:14] but at 26/27, are my friends still playing competitive football? nope [20:14] am I still making music? bet your ass! [21:31] phlux: Best of luck, break a leg! [21:33] Violin was the first (okay, only really) string instrument I learned. It's kindof ruined me on fretted instruments, "chords" just don't come naturally to me. However perfect pitch does. [21:33] :D [21:33] But I will tell you that there is nothing "close enough" when it comes to a note - the closer you are without being spot on, the more wrong it sounds and stands-out. [22:01] *** SpeedBus has quit IRC (Quit: SpeedBus@CrownCloud.net)