[02:05] grody: I spin up virtualbox VMs from http://modern.ie/ when I want a copy of windows to do something that I can't do on linux [02:07] grody: Also, it's a small world. Elsewhere on IRC I am AA-Paul :) [06:52] *** reardencode has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [06:56] *** reardencode has joined #arpnetworks [07:03] o/ [07:04] didn't think of vbox actually [07:04] got windows7 to install, quite fast even over vnc but it had issues with usb devices being added [07:05] finally done a fresh install of debian jessie and compiled xen 4.5 from source and it's doing what i want (to a point) [07:10] Hi. [07:10] Anyonbe miss me? [07:50] *** jpalmer has joined #arpnetworks [08:57] up_the_irons: thanks for adding that RAM, not swappin' any more :) [12:35] *** RandalSchwartz has joined #arpnetworks [12:35] *** RandalSchwartz has quit IRC (Changing host) [12:35] *** RandalSchwartz has joined #arpnetworks [13:53] grody: so are you passing through the onboard video? [13:53] there's actually some splitting up of intel haswell and above onboard video into multiple devices [13:53] which should make things a bit simpler [14:00] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=XenGT-2014-Q4-Graphics [14:20] dont laugh but im running it on an amd e series apu w/ a radein hd 6900 something [14:21] fglrx drivers are hellish but i have stable 2d [14:22] thinking on keeping it as secondary monitor instead as using sdl i get good draw speeds, enough to do what i need for now [14:36] radeonsi should work [14:36] the open source radeon stuff is getting better [14:43] I recently switched from fglrx to the opensource driver for my 6870 and quite happy - better 3d performance, doesn't randomly crash, and Steam (which would fail to launch with fglrx) works [14:43] Just swapped in a 7870 but haven't tried it out really [14:43] (It seems to work well, but I haven't run Steam or played any games) [14:45] steam is terrible in linux on general last i knew [14:46] it's the opengl shim partially to blame i think [14:46] well direct3d to opengl [14:47] with 3/4/5 series it's been fine for ages [14:47] 7000 series still had some kinks [14:47] I wouldn't say it's terrible... It's mostly okay. But I have a number of issues with it because they bundle versions of system libraries that are too old for my system to run (linking, unknown symbols, etc) [14:47] like on my 7850 at idle fan speed was high [14:48] it doesn't seem so bad on my r9 290 actually [14:48] my main linux server has fanless video card, and other than running out of video ram all the time it seems to be pretty functional [14:48] The radeon driver did run my 6870 pretty high/loud when idle compared to fglrx, but not so with this 7870 :) [14:48] yeh my r9 290 seems fine too [14:49] it's funny when you have a more powerful card and it's quieter [14:49] And slightly less power usage too :) [14:49] (which is great because somehow my 550W is managing it all) [14:51] i'm on something like that with r9 290 :/ [14:51] but it's seasonic, so it's all good. [14:51] (my wife's 280X is happy with its 650W) [14:51] r9 290s use up quite a lot of power [14:51] i think it's 600 watt actually [14:51] or 650 [14:52] but they recommend 750 [14:52] i've only got a 400 watt power supply in my linux box [14:52] it's the smallest seasonic fanless i could get [14:53] Yeah they rec that... and it will probably be the next component I upgrade. Or RAM. [14:53] heh i upgrade my windows box to 32gb of ram. [14:53] i have 32gb for my linux box too, but i need to shut it down [14:54] 32GB is still not quite worth it to me since I have 16GB now [14:54] but it's video ram i actually seem to run out of most [14:54] chrome leaks or something [14:54] 16gb is fine for most purposes [14:54] i just figured i may as well while i could still match easily, and it was on special. [14:55] chrome seems to have some gpu memory leaking stuff on both windows and linux for me. [14:55] (I'm using 709MB VRAM on my desktop with lots of Chrome windows+tabs, fwiw) [14:55] *linux desktop [14:55] what resolution? [14:55] 1920x1080 + 2560x1440 [14:56] i'm using 90mb with just xterms and pidgin [14:56] but when i use chrome it goes up heaps [14:56] Yeah that's about right, I'd say [14:56] even just web page pushes it up to 200mb [14:56] heh [14:56] err just one [14:56] with 4k it seemed to keep getting short on ram and getting slow [14:56] i'm only using 1440p now [14:57] meh, 700MB doesn't seem /too/ bad (only 35% of a 2GB card) [14:57] now windows is struggling with 4k, and running out of ram with 4gb :/ [14:57] yeah that seems fine, i was over that with 1gb card [14:57] it's like the highest end fanless card i could find though [14:57] 1GB seems paltry with those resolutions in this day and age [14:57] windows keeps having spasms with the 4k monitor too, it sounds like it may be a general r9 issue [14:58] radeon 7750 [14:58] What 4k res exactly? [14:58] well i could put radeon 7850 in it if if linux would run the fan slow [14:58] 3840x2160 [14:58] http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/HD7750DCSL1GD5/ [14:58] it's one of these [14:59] Heh wow, that's over 8MP [14:59] oh yeah but my 7580 only has mini displayport [14:59] I'm only 5.76MP with both screens [14:59] (Opened a new tab, VRAM usage dropped :) lol) [14:59] well i'm hoping things just start pruning ram bettter [15:00] scrolling is kind of jerky on all 3 cards too [15:00] err with chrome [15:00] firefox was actually a lot better [15:01] FF has increased my VRAM usage by 70MB. Wow, that is good. [15:01] we'll see if it can keep that up. but watching the usage, it does seem fairly aggressive at pruning its usage. [15:02] i think something must have been leaking [15:02] (just my periodic wallpaper change chewed up ~100MB briefly) [15:02] so like it's usually good but some corner case makes it bad [15:02] i was checking out the clockrate / memory speed on windows and just moving the mouse cursor around raises clock rate [15:02] it jumps from like 16 watts power to 60 watts power too [15:02] That seems unnecessary [15:03] you'd think [15:03] Makes sense about the increase in power [15:03] yeah the increase in power makes sense, but it shouldnt' be necessary [15:03] (increase in clock = increased power, likely the card is going into "performance" mode) [15:03] it increases voltage too [15:03] yeah [15:03] it should really have more in betweens [15:04] 2d shouldn't really need to run memory at 1.3 ghz [15:05] (and now to try flash video in FF) [15:05] up to 830M [15:05] (So, another 60M for this small video) [15:05] sounds ilke i could be fine with 2gb of ram even [15:15] yeah it was 80 to 270mb for me [15:15] i wonder why so much less for you, oh that was chrome with html video [17:59] is anyone running freebsd 10.1 on a vm here? [18:03] * RandalSchwartz sadly notes he is still running 8.4 [18:04] heh. [18:05] tbh 8.4 is pretty solid. [18:07] but deprecated in a few more months [18:08] so I have to figure out how to get my 8.4's (6 of them) to 10.x as painlessly as possible. [18:09] yeah i've been wondering about production upgrades from 9 to 10 [18:09] I should rehearse it in a virtualbox first, I guess [18:09] i'm doing templates for 10.1 for vm's. [18:09] but there's an issue where reboot hangs. [18:09] also wondering if I can go from "compile from source" to a binary upgrade without freaking out [18:10] should be fine. [18:12] I guess I could turn off services, snapshot, and try it, and if it fails just rollback. [18:12] or figure out how to use beadm :) [18:13] I'm running completely generic kernels [18:14] so it should just upgrade nicely [18:32] Never had any reboot issues in bhyve :P (I'm only running FBSD in bhyve VMs) [18:32] (and on bare metal, obviously) [18:37] https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=195458 [18:37] it seems to be a common bug :) [18:40] i run a pfsense in bhyve, only reset a couple of times but that was my fault [18:44] have to confess, xen has had me scratching my head a lot [18:58] mercutio: the part that concerns me is how it pegs the cpu [18:59] the part that concerns me is it registers as unclean shutdown [18:59] but yeah, cpu pegging isn't good either [19:00] i've had linux reboot issues on some hardware before, but it didn't have unclean shutdown after it had done the sync, it just didn't reboot properly. [19:09] bhyve isn't available until 10.1, right? [19:10] oh, looks like 10.0 [19:10] hey ... can a bhyve guest boot from zfs? [19:10] or is it just a jail? [19:19] RandalSchwartz: zfs yeah [19:19] Hmm. looks like an entire vm-ish thing [19:20] so if I gave it the right ZFS-volume, it'd "just work" [19:20] bhyve? Yeah, it's just like any other hypervisor layer [19:20] here's the thing... [19:20] Well it would need to have an install. or take an iso [19:20] (I'm definitely not an expert on it) [19:21] digitalocean has very cheap freebsd hosts [19:21] but it's UFS [19:21] https://wiki.freebsd.org/bhyve for more fun [19:21] I want "root as zfs" [19:21] can I use the host they provide to boot the machine I want under it? [19:21] RandalSchwartz: who is "they"? [19:21] context? you missing? [19:22] scroll up two lines :) [19:22] You mean the host that DO provides [19:22] yes [19:22] No idea, probably not [19:22] why not? [19:22] virt-inside-virt is quirky [19:22] That's what she said!! [19:22] no - those are just jails [19:22] they sell me a jail... can I run this under a jail? [19:23] 19:19:53 ⤷ | (I'm definitely not an expert on it) [19:23] I see the bhyve command on my DO machine [19:23] is there something I can try to see if it works? [19:24] start with kldstat -n vmm [19:25] but otherwise, Um, bhyveload or something [19:25] ... kldstat: can't find file vmm: No such file or directory [19:25] You lack the necessary module apparently [19:25] maybe I just need to load it? [19:25] it's a pretty standard 10.1 [19:25] * brycec shrugs [19:26] RandalSchwartz: google it, bro [19:26] kldload vmm worked [19:26] Id Refs Address Size Name [19:26] 2 1 0xffffffff81a11000 18007c vmm.ko [19:26] so it loads [19:27] (Why not run through the demo they provide on the freebsd wiki I linked?) [19:27] so where can I get a bhyve iso to boot? [19:28] oh. [19:28] reading that now. [19:28] bhyve isn't baremetal itself. It's part of freebsd. And it should boot any iso. [19:28] wait... demo where? [19:28] looking at page. [19:28] Q: What does bhyve "look" like? [19:29] er, Q: What is the easiest way to try bhyve? [19:29] can you run 11 under 10.1? [19:29] I did. [19:30] that's... not like a jail. :) [19:30] Was it billed as a jail? [19:30] no.. but that's been the only thing prior to this under freebsd I've had experience with. :) [19:30] will poudriere be rewritten to use bhyve? [19:31] that'd be awesome [19:31] I don't think there's anything to be "rewritten". You install a whole new virtual machine and use it as desired... Just as you would in VirtualBox, VMware, HyperV, Xen, etc [19:31] sure [19:32] ugh... demo says: vm_create: Device not configured [19:33] that's the answer to this faq: What will I see if EPT is disabled in BIOS? [19:33] well... so... no [19:33] DO is not a valid bhyve hoster [19:33] I warned you :P [19:34] I wonder if I could run xen there [20:09] *** plett has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [21:50] *** djkrikke-2 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [22:30] *** plett has joined #arpnetworks