[01:45] Ubuntu 14.04 LTS now available to order thanks to mercutio [01:45] (and i know we're VERY late to the game on that) [01:46] things will be moving a lot faster now [01:48] and openbsd 5.6 is coming soon [02:32] Sooner than the 5.7 release? [02:46] yeah [02:46] probably tomorrow [02:46] 5.7 should be quick [03:12] Debian 7.8 now ready to order [05:23] and openbsd 5.6 [09:23] woo, very nice, gentlemen [09:52] I always thought most folks just install it using the iso [09:52] guess not [10:27] *** carvite has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [10:27] *** carvite has joined #arpnetworks [11:44] mnathani_: i upgraded mine... [11:45] but yeah openbsd install isn't too painful if you want to take that route [11:48] I [re]installed all of mine from ISO [11:49] It's also hilarious seeing in the portal "OpenBSD 4.7" as the install version [11:52] heh [11:52] mine says 4.7 too. [11:53] i started with 32bit and am on 64bit now too [16:26] brave sod [16:26] i can never get along with openbsd :/ [16:27] freebsd im truely at home with [16:28] portal remained freebsd 8.2 on mine even now running 10 [16:29] however ♥ the clean, simplicity of the portal pages [16:29] Yeah, the portal reflects what you ordered. Since it has no "fingers" inside your VM, it has no way of knowing what your VM is running. [16:29] refreshing to see no overbloat or "material design" - just pure functionality [16:46] freebsd is also getting an update to 10.1 [16:50] brycec: i wonder if virtio can give feedback [16:50] vmware tells you what vm you have installed iirc [16:50] if you have their virt stuff [17:12] mercutio: There is qemu-agent, but it's immature and it's just a "finger" in the guest still [17:12] ahh [17:12] i expect it will get improved over time [17:13] but yeah it doesn't really hurt anything, it's mostly just cosmetic [17:13] My ESX stuff shows whatever OS I have configured, but the guest can still relay information like IP address. [17:13] oh i thought it did hostname and operating system too [17:13] i haven't used esxi in a while though [17:14] oh yeah, hostname too [17:14] I mean, it might also have OS info, but the console just shows what's configured in the guest xml [17:15] 3 cheers for OpenBSD having a built-in driver/agent for this too [17:17] brycec, is there is a way to make the ESXi use non uefi boot on uefi's that allow it? [17:17] In the guest? Just don't check "use uefi" I would assume [17:17] (works on freebsd and openbsd guests... of course openbsd doesn't support uefi anyways) [17:17] on the boot .iso [17:18] the uefi on this apu is odd as hell.. freebsd uefi does similar, boot non uefi works sound [17:18] If you're talking esx host configuration, couldn't say - I've never installed it :p [17:18] on linux you select usb boot drive with the uefi or non uefi [17:18] and that'll set the install [17:18] secure boot works, but anything non-windows doing pure uefi horrifys output on vga [17:19] grody: It sounds like you just need to tell your system firmware/bios to boot non-UEFI [17:19] brycec, sadly the bios is highly limited on configuration - however xen kernels are really happy with it (full iommu support etc) [17:19] but im really not liking xen atm [17:20] what dont' you like about xen? [17:20] debian seems to have regressed and now i cant passthru my gpu [17:20] debian 7.8 and xen 4.1.5 [17:20] I dare say there are many things to dislike about Xen :P [17:20] try a more recent xen version [17:20] there were some changes [17:20] i did and now i broke it [17:20] heh [17:20] i upped to 4.5.x [17:20] i did gpu pass through with xen one time [17:20] it was kind of a pita [17:21] 4.2/4.3 should be enough it hink [17:21] it was somewhere around there that i was doing stuff [17:21] with the original patches, i even had opencl in the windows guest [17:21] are you passing through the apu or a video card? [17:21] but now i upgraded to 7.8, it's all broken [17:21] apparently nvidia had some issues ages ago [17:21] the debian version should make no diff [17:21] it's just the xen version [17:21] i even did the necessary grub boot options for pci-callback etc [17:21] tbh, i found the system too fragile/annoying, and disk i/o was slow [17:22] and just streaming gigabit ethernet over network used like 10% cpu :/ [17:22] it was like 5% cpu with light use [17:22] so i ended up just switching to duual windows and linux hosts [17:22] i am now looking at win 2k8 180 day thing and windows hyperv [17:23] people are saying even freebsd guests are getting near native speeds [17:23] i want to try gpu passthrough with kvm sometime. [17:23] curious. [17:23] i just want a pfsense, a linux and a win7 [17:23] i got good network speeds with xen and linux [17:23] mm, i was tinkering with kvm.. but it makes xen look like BASIC [17:23] but xen and windows was terrible [17:23] uising virtio drivers in windows [17:23] i tried virto as well and failed [17:23] (I get native FreeBSD speeds in bhyve :P) [17:24] hmm bhyve [17:24] i have got freebsd dedis w/ bhyeved pfsense [17:24] maybe i need another test machine :) [17:24] and even a linux on one [17:24] they are quite sturdy [17:24] i got an amd apu thingy, and it boots realyl slowly [17:24] even with uefi. [17:24] i have an ancient e series i think [17:24] lenovo gig [17:25] i thouught it'd boot faster because video is built into cpuu [17:25] oddly, it was a very high end thing when it was born [17:25] and disabling csm doesn't seem to fix it [17:25] cpu does full hardware virtualisation and does mobo [17:25] i mostly only care because i wanted to use it to test some kernel stuff on [17:25] you can ipv6 pxe on modern gear [17:25] im curious about this windows setup now [17:26] yeah i have 3 compuuters that can do vt-d [17:26] it actually seems REALLY easy to get things going and passthrough seems to JustWork(tm) [17:26] well one is amd so it's called something diff [17:26] AMD E-300 APU [17:26] with hyperz? [17:26] interesting [17:26] thats what this lappy is [17:26] i was doing it with radeon 7850 and i7-3770\ [17:26] only a dual core 1.3GHz, but both CPU and board seems to be happy with hvm [17:27] this is a 6310 [17:27] one annoyance though was knowing which usb ports went where [17:27] haha yea [17:27] xen is a pita for that [17:27] and whenever doing video driver updates it seemed to bug out iirc [17:27] but i want something more reliable [17:27] just use two machines [17:27] the other issue was i only had 24gb of ram at the time [17:27] and i wasn't sure how to split [17:28] i was doing zfs on linux.. [17:28] the idea of dual booting is annoying, but i'd like to boot a simple OS (if even by accident) and simply and quickly boot into the OS i need [17:28] windows, linux, bsd, or even have one or more running at the same time [17:28] heh [17:28] i did have that, but i got greedy wanting my win7 to have gpu dedicated access and i broke it all [17:28] heh [17:28] i wanted to have something like that before too [17:29] but with nfs shared /home etc [17:29] i have shared /home now [17:29] i've gotten used to sshfs (using keys and automounting) [17:29] works across every network [17:30] it's not as efficient when multi reading/writing [17:30] no where [17:31] this should be fun.. making a windows usb boot disk, without having access to a windows [17:32] modern method usually be make LBA W95 FAT32, active, copy the contents of DVD to USB.. reboot and prey to some diety [17:32] but if i know this as well as i think, that doesn't work with 7,2k8,2k12 [17:33] you can probably use wine [17:33] the normal tool doesn't like my usb stick as it's one of the "new" ones. [17:33] it wont work the bootsect command, that needs 64bit [17:33] so i have to use this other tool. [17:34] hmm [17:34] i really need a 64bit windows [17:34] which atm i dont have [17:34] im not sure how i managed this tbh [17:34] 8 computers in this home and not one natively running windows [17:34] heh [17:35] congrats [17:35] im not sure wether to be happy or to cry [17:35] right now i think i want to cry [17:37] hmm, i wonder if i can network boot [17:37] lapy has PXE, can rig a TFTP [17:39] *** dj_goku has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [17:39] im uessing i need a windows for that too looking at doc ... [17:40] * grody walks away muttering inchoerent profanities [17:40] install windows in a vm [17:40] from .iso [17:42] *** dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks [17:53] network booting/installing windows is a royal PITA to setup, especially without Windows. (at least that's been my experience) [17:56] Survey time: What's a good job title for someone that is equal parts: sysadmin, developer, and tier 3 support? [18:09] brycec: sysadmin [18:10] maybe systems engineer now [18:10] apparently systems administrator has gone down in uhh [18:10] in title [18:10] Yeah that's where I'm leaning, "Director of System Engineering" [18:10] systems engineer is the old systems administrator [18:11] I like syseng because it conveys both [software] engineering, and systems [admin] [18:11] and pretty much all systems engineers are expected to have some programming knowledge and some tier 3 support experience [18:11] but all systems administrators used to know those things too :) [18:11] i mean in years gone by people grew up with programming knowledge that were on the technical side [18:12] heh [18:12] now it seems programming fell out of fashion [18:12] /and/ the barrier to entry seems to have gone up [18:12] mostly because of api mess imo [18:13] like say you want to write a program to sort 10 numbers [18:13] heh [18:13] people using windows are like should i use java or c++ or what [18:13] how do i get a window on the screen [18:13] hsould it have a scrollbar? [18:13] whereas it used to be you'd just output text :) [18:13] then sort is already built in etc. [18:13] then sorting text, suddenly you have unicode to worry about :) [18:14] but yeah i'd go with systems engineer now probably. [18:14] thx mercutio [18:14] i don't like the term, but it seems to be what conveys that [18:14] Yeah [18:15] sysadmin now means being able to look at graphs [18:15] "nerd" or "geek" are good but don't really fit in the "business card world" [18:15] yeh [18:15] i shifted from systems administrator to network administrator and haven't really ever changed [18:16] network implies systems, and you can't make it too long/complicated [18:16] I don't think it implies systems... it tells me you can write (or plagiarise) Cisco configs [18:17] heh [18:17] yeh i dunno [18:18] i say sys admin to geeks [18:18] as would i [18:18] actually I'd say "devops" [18:18] the problem with saying things like sys admin to non-geeks is they think it means you want to do windows stuff [18:19] whereas network kind of clears you away from windows. :) [18:19] without starting any kind of linux vs windows crap [18:19] Does it start Cisco vs Juniper crap instead? :P [18:21] no it doesn't actualy. [18:21] most people here are pretty agnostic tbh [18:22] are you tier 3 or tier 4 is one question [18:22] devops would be tier 4 [18:23] Nah, we're smaller than that, just 2 layers of tech support then you hit the developers [18:23] yeah small usually means you end up being tier 2 through 4 [18:24] if you do radical changes you can generally say tier 4 [18:24] heh [20:19] *** _Zodiac has joined #arpnetworks [20:20] *** _Zodiac has left [22:10] I have to work on a school project with Git... You'd be surprised what kind of crap people can do [22:11] apparently the thing to do if you don't understand what you're doing is to type about 20 random git commands [22:11] usually these are things that I typed last time he did this so the cycle just repeats itself [22:11] I used to do support. "history" was always a treat [22:12] haha I'm sure [22:13] half the time he doesn't even read what git says and announces he's pushed while looking at an error [22:27] lol... [22:32] i'm only just getting used to git myself