[03:41] even now, after waiting a couple of hours, my connection is immediately refused on port 22, first time [03:42] this is the first time this has ever happened to me with this box [03:42] it's really strange [03:42] oh shit i know why nvm [03:45] the domain i use to point to IPs needs to be renewed :) [03:54] hmm [03:55] oh search path picked it up>? [03:55] search path can make domains resolve when they shouldn't. [07:23] and now that ICANN has make everything a valid TLD, make domains resolve to the wrong thing easily [13:21] How does Q in Q trunking work? [13:39] The additional (internal) vlan tag/header is inserted ahead of the ethertype header, such that the outermost vlan tag is parsed/stripped/whatever by L2 and the remaining payload is left for the OS to interpret/handle. Incidentally, with the outermost vlan tag stripped, the whole packet remains a valid, vlan-tagged frame that can be put right back on another "wire" [13:39] A lovely diagram https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TCPIP_802.1ad_DoubleTag.svg#mediaviewer/File:TCPIP_802.1ad_DoubleTag.svg [13:40] (And more info, obviously https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.1ad) [13:40] IEEE 802.1ad :: IEEE 802.1ad is an Ethernet networking standard informally known as QinQ and is an amendment to IEEE standard IEEE 802.1Q-1998. The technique is also known as provider bridging, Stacked VLANs, or simply QinQ or Q-in-Q. "Q-in-Q" can for supported devices apply to C-tag stacking on C-tag (Ethernet Type = 0x8100) but this has limited application in the modern methodology of network routing. The original 802.1Q specification... [13:55] q-in-q can be handy if you want to do something like have a wohle lot of dsl connections with their own vlan, and carry all of that traffic somewhere else. [13:56] or if you want to carry someone elses vlans [14:21] *** gizmoguy_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [14:21] *** gizmoguy has joined #arpnetworks [14:24] ^ which is the example on the wikipedia page as it so happens [14:29] the first or second? [14:30] ahh virtual rks. [14:30] networks. [14:31] this sort of stuff is getting more and more common [14:39] (The second example, a metro Ethernet provider encapsulating each customer in a VLAN, and those customers with their own vlans qinq'd) [14:51] https://vimeo.com/119343870 [14:51] Vimeo video: "10328x7760 - A 10K Timelapse Demo" by SCIENTIFANTASTIC [15:33] RandalSchwartz: lol that's a great line by Steve Gibson [15:33] which is? [15:33] That's what she said!! [15:33] RandalSchwartz: "background radiation of the internet" [15:34] Oh, yeah. [15:34] it's actually sorta technically accurate too [15:34] although the cause is completely different. [15:34] yeah [15:35] i actually thought it was going to get worse over time tbh [15:36] but it doesn't seem to have got any worse, it seems about the same [15:36] or even slightly less. [15:36] although i do seem to recall reading somewhere that it can vary by ip address. so some subnets are worse off [15:37] like some of the scanners will only scan the /8 they're in, and some people are using outdated subnets to scan etc. [15:45] I only hack the subnet of the first interface on my machine. [15:45] (lo 127/8) [15:46] Insanely fast too, and huge MTU. [16:14] heh [16:57] *** _Zodiac has joined #arpnetworks [16:57] *** _Zodiac has left [17:21] wee, just bottled beer batch #4 [17:29] finally got merlyn+FOO@stonehenge.com to mean the same as merlyn.FOO@stonehenge.com [17:29] I tag all my vendor-submitted addresses to see if they're abusing it. [17:29] been using . for that, although over time, + emerged as the standard. [17:30] mailroute will now charge me for every merlyn.FOO address as if it was a seperate user! [17:30] but merlyn+FOO is included with merlyn [17:42] RandalSchwartz: sometimes i wish i'd already done that. uncovered anything interesting? [17:42] not really. just had to get some regex right [17:43] i've found that lots of civic action lists (environmental groups, etc) sell lists to each other [17:43] or share, i guess [17:43] oh... the tagging is mostly when they start spamming me [17:43] I block that addr, and move on to the next one [17:43] I'm now on #4 for one vendor :) [17:43] yeah, that's what i do with mine too [17:43] hahaha [17:44] oh not to see who they shared it to [17:44] I opt out of everything I can, and I still get "messages from our partners" [17:44] eah [17:44] yeah [17:44] amazon's been sending me wya too much junk recently [17:44] you can opt out of almost everything they send [17:45] oh good to know [17:45] they randomly added woot [17:45] woot don't even ship to nz [17:45] i've bought a few odds and ends from woot [17:45] i got an XM radio from them like 10 years ago for 80% off, i still have it [17:46] some of their deals seem pretty cheap for refurb stuff [17:46] yeah [17:46] my buddy bought a couple of neato robotics refurb vacuum/sweeper things [17:46] oh i've always wondered what those things are like [17:46] i'm assuming they're probably not very good. but i'm ready to be surprised :) [17:46] i've heard the neato ones are a bit more like a traditional vacuum cleaner [17:47] can handle low pile carpet and pet hair a smidge better, but i think the newer roombas have improved on that [17:47] That's what she said!! [17:47] i work from home now, so i just vacuum 3-4 times a week myself [17:47] atm they seem to have 1080p 24" tv with wifi and netflix and so on for $140 [17:47] i bought a couple of nice kershaw pocket knives, a couple of bricks of AA and AAA batteries and a bluetooth speaker/ipod dock thing [17:48] from what i understand most cheap tv's aren't really that much worse than name brand tv's. ie hit and miss. but that the "smart" features can be worse. [17:48] oh, and a couple pairs of moto bluetooth headphones for using at the gym. those were a good deal [17:48] * mercutio bloody hates samsung tv's [17:48] yeah, i have an old 46" samsung from like 2007 or 2008, and it's ok [17:48] and lg is meant to be hit and miss [17:48] i have an old sony from before they had wifi [17:49] our living room set is a mitsubishi DLP, final gen before they discontinued them [17:49] it's ok except that computer can't turn the tv off [17:49] it's like really annoying, but the only really annoying problem with it. [17:49] you can if you use vga, just not over hdmi. [17:49] ah [17:51] i'm kind of waiting for 4k tv's to get good and cheap [17:51] and use that as a computer monitor :) [17:51] `yeah, that'd be cool [17:51] i'd love a bigger display for my dorky flight and space sim stuff [17:52] it's kind of crazy how 50" etc are getting cheap now [17:52] but most of them have terrible stands etc. [17:53] kind of disconcerting to have a huge tv with a terrible stand, and can't really wall mount here. [17:53] yeah, not really intended for use anywhere but a tv media center [17:53] or whatever [17:53] my 4k monitor has a nice stand, it was one of the things i was looking for. [17:53] DLPs have terrible geometry, so they're not really good for PC use [17:55] it'll probably get worse before it gets better [17:55] like when LED tv's came out [17:55] That's what she said!! [17:56] yeah [17:56] that's part of why we ended up w/a DLP - the color on the first couple generations of LED LCDs were really bad [17:56] and the motion engines were awful (forced 120hz interpolation, etc) [17:57] my tv is spva. [17:57] we wanted a larger set for home theater stuff, but the equivalent LCD and plasma options were pretty awful [17:57] and twice as expensive [17:57] yeah when i was looking no-one seemed to know anything :/ [17:58] and interpolation was a huge craze [17:58] and smart features were just coming in [17:58] yeah, we spent hours at this huge local electronics place watching stuff [17:58] my tv actually has ethernet [17:58] my tv can play some content off usb stick, but shit all [17:58] yeah, we haven't ever used the smart stuff on this tv since we have an xbox one and before that, had a sony blu-ray player w/some decent stuff built in [17:58] i basically decided they were all going to be crap for support. [17:58] and i'd rather just stick a computer on it. [17:59] blu-ray player could handle dlna stuff pretty well and would stream netflix and amazon vod [17:59] but if you were wanting to do such things, at least back then, it was a bit of a cluster**** [17:59] now it seems samsung is pretty good for media support off usb sticks. [17:59] but their tv's don't work with laptop/computers easily [17:59] you have to screw around for it not to screw with quality [18:00] and they all seem to be really glary [18:00] with no contrast and high brightness [18:00] so everything looks really washed out [18:05] *** dj_goku_ has joined #arpnetworks [18:05] *** dj_goku_ has quit IRC (Changing host) [18:05] *** dj_goku_ has joined #arpnetworks [18:06] *** dj_goku has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [18:07] *** dj_goku_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) [18:27] *** dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks [18:42] *** dj_goku_ has joined #arpnetworks [18:44] *** dj_goku has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [19:14] yeah, shiny coatings on a device that'll be used in a room with imperfect lighting is kind of a bummer [19:55] *** peterk has joined #arpnetworks [19:56] Hello - having a problem with my VPS, it pings, but can't connect to it, nor does it respond on any of the open ports [19:57] what is showing on your console via VNC? [19:57] I haven't used that in such long time I can't get to it [19:58] that'd be the first thing to work out. :) [19:58] either that, or just do a force-reboot from the UI [19:58] and don't have my login info available as I haven't used it in forever [19:58] well - for ARP, there's no "login info", unless you mean to the arp site [19:58] you can probably reset password [19:59] to get to your box, it's all about a ssh keypair you exchanged. [19:59] i haven't tried myself. [19:59] That's what she said!! [19:59] i imagine they can't get to the management portal [19:59] because they don't know their password [19:59] never setup the ssh key pair as never needed it before [19:59] then you won't get to VNC. :* [19:59] mine is remembered in chrome [20:00] haha, yeah - my email is hosted on that vps, etc - anyway around this chicken egg problem? [20:01] divine intervention? :) [20:01] and hopefully, lessons for the future. [20:02] never send the reset password through the device you need the reset-password for. :) [20:03] and always know how to get to your console [20:03] well, I did put in the secondary email address [20:03] well, there you go [20:03] but it says that address doesn't exist when I try to reset password. [20:03] try that [20:03] ugh [20:04] if your box is non-responsive, and you can't remotely reboot it, hard to tell what to do next. [20:05] can I call the support number and get verified other methods? [20:21] I would presume so [20:22] never needed to do that. :) [20:27] found the login info in my backups, did a reset on the vps - its back up [20:27] Yeay! [20:27] accepting connections, etc? [20:27] Randal, you work for arp? [20:27] No - just a longtime customer and fan [20:27] yep, I'm sshed in [20:28] ok, i'll ask you while I'm here..been meaning to get to this for awhile now [20:28] Nov 21, 2009 was my first VPS [20:28] never had a problem with the vps for for 2+ years, and then past month, my tar backups from cron would never complete, they'll just hang with high CPU for days on end [20:29] weird [20:29] disk to disk within your vps? [20:29] and I haven't changed anything on server for ages...maybe that was my sign to reboot it. [20:29] yep disk to same disk [20:29] curious. [20:29] so yeah, see if it's better after reboot [20:29] if not, come here and describe [20:30] yeah, it was email backups - and tar would just hang and everything was slow - webmail, etc - just haven't had time to work on it. [20:30] sounds like you were in swap [20:30] figured maybe just the host was overloaded.. [20:30] swap is never fun. :) [20:31] no, top didn't show much swap usage [20:31] much should be Zero [20:31] any non-zero swap is bad [20:31] haha, I have 768MB ram [20:31] its been running great for long time now [20:31] you get what you pay for :) [20:32] yeah I know [20:32] ugh, should have connected to vnc before reboot - see what was on console at least [20:35] I guess those ssh keys do come useful sometimes, even after years of perfect service - lessor learned, shtuff happens, put this info into a readily accessible place, not backups to dig through. [20:44] cool [20:44] glad it worked out [21:26] *** peterk has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) [21:50] *** gizmoguy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [21:51] *** sjackso has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [21:51] *** toddf has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [21:53] *** gizmoguy has joined #arpnetworks [22:05] RandalSchwartz: thanks for helping out peterk [22:11] *** toddf has joined #arpnetworks [22:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o toddf [22:20] *** sjackso has joined #arpnetworks [22:20] *** sjackso is now known as Guest74163 [22:50] how deep does the rabbit hole go? Does Q in Q in Q exist? [22:56] I guess it does: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1048611 [23:11] lol