[05:20] in the interests of minimalism the Linux people have been removing practically everything useful from their OSes [05:21] mercutio, maybe telnet protocol is dead but it's useful for seeing if a server accepts connections on port X [06:06] s/removing.*/moving everything useful from their OSes into systemd/ [06:06] in the interests of minimalism the Linux people have been moving everything useful from their OSes into systemd [06:35] s/minimalism/dubious minimalism (at best)/ [06:35] in the interests of dubious minimalism (at best) the Linux people have been removing practically everything useful from their OSes [08:00] I would argue that it's less about minimalism and more of not encouraging bad practices. Even Windows/MSFT removed telnet from their "base" install. [08:08] telnetd [08:09] Did they also remove telnet, the client? [08:15] *** lystra has left "Leaving" [08:17] I still use telnet to test that services are answering [08:25] I use netcat, or nmap. [08:30] I am old, change is hard [08:35] telnet is part of the base system in centos 7 [08:35] at least it was on mine [08:35] telnet.x86_64 1:0.17-59.el7 @base [09:26] m0unds: yum install telnet installs it, but it was not installed by default [09:28] They don't have nc on Fedora either. And nc doesn't send \r\n, which testing a lot of services require [09:29] Though now a lot of that might need openssl s_client and that leaves a lot to be desired too [09:34] *** technoid_ has quit IRC (Quit: (null)) [09:37] "nc doesn't send" This statement is factually incorrect. [09:39] my nc doens't send \r\n unless I type ^M at the end of each line [09:40] Ohhh I misinterpreted what you said [09:40] thought my IRC client was just flaking out with the \r\n [09:41] ah. and there's one of them that requires the \r\n [10:39] *** technoid_ has joined #arpnetworks [16:11] mnathani: i figured it wasn't in yours, i was just noting it was installed by default in the base system on my install of centos 7 (@base) [16:11] which was installed from media with just the base system selected (all other stuff was added later by me using yum) [16:12] mine was a net install, I think I picked infrastructure server [16:12] ah, that could do it [16:12] i hadn't used centos in years so i figured i'd try out 7 [16:12] are you familiar with / do you use: nc (or netcat) utility [16:18] sorry, had to get coffee - i've only used it for basic stuff [16:19] nc is pretty easy/simple stuff. socat on the other hand... [16:21] i used it mostly for debugging issues w/telemetry from recording gear at my old job [16:22] it was supposed to be sending certain strings of data on a port to a supervisor server, and we got a replacement LSI card w/different BIOS on it that formatted the output of a command differently than other stuff [16:25] oh, and for debugging serial over network crap too [16:25] yuck [16:26] It's fun stuff [16:26] I'm currently using socat to forward/bounce telnet connections [16:26] neat [16:27] Got so tired of port-scanners hitting port 23 that I now "forward" those connections to the ascii star wars [16:27] server. [16:27] (telnet vps3.cobryce.com) [16:27] ahahaha [16:27] socat -lm -d -d -6 -U TCP-LISTEN:23,fork TCP:towel.blinkenlights.nl:23 [16:28] too funny [16:28] * brycec bows [16:39] hahha [16:40] i thought this had colour [16:45] heh [16:45] I guess it all depends if you've licked any stamps lately :P [19:30] *** dj_goku has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) [19:34] *** dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks [19:34] *** dj_goku has quit IRC (Changing host) [19:34] *** dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks [19:35] "Please don't add support for OpenBSD. I prefer to use a more robust provider, arp networks." Please don't add support for OpenBSD. I prefer to use a more robust provider, arp networks. [19:35] http://digitalocean.uservoice.com/forums/136585-digitalocean/suggestions/6963821-support-openbsd [19:35] (flubbed the copy/paste) [19:35] The Internet confuses me... [19:35] dat logic [19:35] wat [19:35] Wat. [19:35] why are you reading do forums? [19:35] Maybe that was secretly up_the_irons [19:36] In my defense, mercutio, it was linked to me by another channel [19:36] i imagine he'd use some capitals for arp [19:36] "Openbsd for me too. It feels the safest environment for me as a home user. Totally given up Linux now. [19:36] such quality on there [19:36] That's what she said!! [19:38] http://digitalocean.uservoice.com/forums/136585-digitalocean/suggestions/5812390-keep-arch-linux-on-digitalocean [19:38] arch is pretty easy to install from iso [19:39] i wonder if this idea of shifting to templates is getting in the way [19:39] ain't nobody got time to manually install from an ISO [19:39] templates++ [19:39] arch users do :/ [19:39] well arch tends to be wehre people wnat to have options [19:40] a lot of people wanted them to keep arch around [19:40] and they're deprecating it [19:40] i wonder if arp supports arch [19:40] "Arch is my go-to. I'm upvoting this ticket and also the ticket to allow custom ISOs, to allow me to use Arch. Please?" [19:41] It certainly does insomuch as you can install your own ISO :p [19:41] so they don't actually support iso on digitalocean [19:41] nope [20:08] * mkb doesn't understand this digital ocean fad [20:08] all I ever hear about them is people trying to petition them for some other OS [20:09] I go find someone who will let me install whatever OS I want [20:09] exactly. [20:10] that said, arp wasn't the first place i've had openbsd [20:10] but in the past i'd had to do iso install [21:17] *** technoid_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [23:46] *** novae has left