[00:21] *** vissborg has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [00:27] *** vissborg has joined #arpnetworks [02:38] *** brycec has quit IRC (Excess Flood) [02:40] *** brycec has joined #arpnetworks [04:05] *** plett_ is now known as plett [06:54] *** mkb has quit IRC (Quit: Reconnecting) [06:54] *** mkb_ has joined #arpnetworks [06:56] *** mkb_ is now known as mkb [14:01] http://www.neowin.net/news/moving-the-steam-folder-on-linux-is-causing-users-entire-file-systems-to-be-deleted [14:01] classy [14:09] quality [14:09] That's what she said!! [14:48] maybe linux needs something like android permissions [14:48] applications can write to their own directory, can write to network etc etc. [14:49] SELinux [14:49] does that do it? [14:49] does steam support it? [14:49] SELinux can do that yeah, Steam probably doesn't support it [14:50] "selinux prevents steam from starting up" [14:50] heh [14:50] the alternative is to not use steam at all [14:50] SELinux is really hard to configure properly [14:51] damn [14:51] ubuntu is doing a bit with apparmor [14:51] but none of these things seem standardised for external applications [15:41] more zfs puzzlement [15:42] I'm wondering if I can migrate from a classic mirror to a raidz [16:13] you have to create a new pool [16:15] if you want to shift from two drive mirror to 3 way raidz you can disconnect one of the mirrored drives, and create a raidz array with a missing drive afaik [16:15] on the other two drives [16:15] transfer the data [16:15] then take the first disk and put it in [16:15] i did raidz to mirrored though so i'm not altogether sure. [16:15] from 3 drives to 4, without having enough sata ports for all the drives at once rather than not enough drives. [16:18] i'd normally recommend just going to a pair of mirrored drives though [16:18] err two pairs [16:19] unless it's just bulk storage, and then people tend to want to jump up to raidz2 [16:20] raidz with 2 3 drive pairs is pretty good though [16:21] it's pretty much a major pita doing the transfer [16:21] so I created zroot2 on my SSDs, and am using zxfer to do the mirror [16:22] what's the easiest way to boot off the ssds later? [16:22] just edit /boot/loader.conf ? [16:22] what's zxfer [16:22] it's a nice wrapper around zfs send/recv [16:22] ahh [16:22] you can just do attach to go from one drive to two [16:22] so zroot2/zroot is a clone of zroot [16:23] i see [16:23] i don't do zfs root [16:23] because i use linux with zfs ;) [16:23] in linux you can easily do partitions with zfs [16:23] so you can have a separate pool for bootup/system from data [16:23] just using beginning of drives [16:24] so if shifting from 2 to 3 ssd's, you could just do 3 way mirror. [16:24] for systerm, and then raidz for data [16:24] ssd's i can understand wanting to do raidz :) [16:24] i am pretty sure solaris doesn't support raidz root [16:24] you may want to check that freebsd does actualyl support it [16:25] the probelm is the ssds aren't the same size as the currnt / [16:25] so I need to use send/recv to move the data [16:25] but then I'm not sure how to get it to boot that [16:25] i see, and then you need to make it bootable. [16:25] I should probably simulate all this in a virtualbox :) [16:25] are you going from hard-disk to ssd? [16:25] yes [16:26] 2 hard-disks to 3 ssds? [16:26] 2 hard disks to 2 ssds [16:26] oh i thought you were talking about raidz [16:26] yes. raidz works just fine with two drives [16:26] better than mirroring :) [16:26] raidz2 needs three drives [16:26] how's it better than mirroring? [16:26] no write hole [16:26] huh? [16:27] .. http://raid-recovery-guide.com/raid5-write-hole.aspx [16:27] raid1 doesn't have write hole [16:28] they disagree [16:28] *** technoid_ has quit IRC (Quit: (null)) [16:29] well raidz is definitely not designed for two disks [16:32] http://blog.pascalj.com/article/migrate-a-freebsd-server-with-a-zfs-root-filesystem/ [16:32] does that help/ [16:33] ahh... I might have been misled then [16:33] gpart bootcode -b /mnt/boot/pmbr -p /mnt/boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ada0 [16:33] that seems to be the main thing i had no idea about [16:40] that's just to make sure the bootloader knows about zfs [16:41] not sure why that's not the default [16:41] maybe it is now [17:41] *** dj_goku has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [17:44] *** dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks [17:44] *** dj_goku has quit IRC (Changing host) [17:44] *** dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks [19:02] *** mkb has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [19:08] *** mkb has joined #arpnetworks [23:38] *** technoid_ has joined #arpnetworks [23:55] *** carvite has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [23:57] *** carvite has joined #arpnetworks