[01:54] *** meingtsla has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [01:57] *** meingtsla has joined #arpnetworks [08:43] w00t [09:16] *** erratic_ has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [09:16] *** tabthorpe has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [09:20] *** erratic_ has joined #arpnetworks [09:20] *** tabthorpe has joined #arpnetworks [10:40] I really like the cacti mescaline plugin [10:40] makes my graphs a lot more eye popping [10:57] *** jpalmer has joined #arpnetworks [10:57] *** jpalmer has quit IRC (Client Quit) [10:58] *** jpalmer has joined #arpnetworks [11:04] *** jpalmer has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1) [11:05] *** jpalmer has joined #arpnetworks [11:17] Knight [12:41] haha searching for cacti mescaline doesn't work :) [12:41] even with the word plugin [12:41] you were making it up right? :) [12:43] about the only ocol thing i'm finding for making graphs look better is a value prediction thing [12:52] haha [12:52] http://blog.cloudflare.com/the-relative-cost-of-bandwidth-around-the-world/ [12:53] yea, remember seeing that a few mos back [12:53] their blog has some good stuff on it [12:53] ahh [12:53] so they're saying that peering in the US sucks :) [12:54] well that's pretty obvious anyway [12:55] if each state in the US was a country ala europe, it'd probably be better [12:55] in that regard [12:55] i don't think it'd necessarily be better in any other meaningful way [12:55] yeah [12:55] well comcast may not have such a monopoly [12:56] but that's part of what people from the EU don't seem to comprehend cellular service and stuff here either [12:56] yea, i don't really care about comcast's monopoly [12:57] i was going to say they should just send stuff to telstra from asia [12:57] but they already do [12:58] well comcast's monopoly doesn't help peering [12:58] it's the smaller providers who tend to peer here for instance [12:58] it used to be that the biggest two didn't. [12:58] welll the 2nd biggest used to [12:58] then dropped it [12:59] then the 2nd biggest got bought by the 3rd biggest who did peer [12:59] so i dunno if it's changed now [12:59] yeah it still loosk the same as it was [13:00] part of the issue here is that the only way most smaller ISPs can "compete" is if they do DSL [13:00] and dsl is getting slower and slower [13:00] which then puts them in the unenviable position of being at the mercy of the incumbent carrier [13:00] heh. [13:00] which has always been shitty [13:00] between a rock and a hard place. [13:00] it means you nearly always get inferior service from a CLEC vs ILEC [13:00] for instance, my telephone co's DSL line rates for here (my home) are 80/40mbit via VDSL2 [13:01] the fastest any CLEC can provide is 3/1 [13:02] oh wow [13:02] i didn't acutalyl know vdsl2 could do 40 megabit upload [13:02] 3/1 is kind of unusable these days [13:02] for lots of things [13:02] yeah, it's terrible [13:02] like hd youtube [13:02] hell 20 megabit adsl struggles with > 1080p youtube. [13:03] yeah [13:03] i thought google were bringing bitrates down [13:03] when i lived in a suburb north of where i am now in the early-to-mid-00s, i could only get 1.5/512 [13:03] but it's about 18 megabit atm i think [13:04] hmm this stream is only 8 megabit [13:04] weird it went up [13:04] 14, 15 megabit [13:07] my connect seems ok on 1440p but struggling with 2160p on this video [13:07] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11zf7Y5tUbM [13:07] YouTube Music: "4K Demo UHD 1440p" by foretification (3m 43s), 80,987 views, 220 likes and 11 dislikes. Uploaded 2014-03-04T18:27:27.000Z. [13:07] ttp://transmission.xmission.com/2013/04/18/the-1-fiber-optic-network [13:07] err, http://transmission.xmission.com/2013/04/18/the-1-fiber-optic-network [13:09] exempt from open acecss [13:10] is the nasty part [13:10] That's what she said!! [13:11] well, i'd say exempt from open access and the fact that the whole thing is still being paid by taxpayers [13:12] tax payers would be ok with open access in a way [13:12] being paid by tax payers. [13:13] tax payers pay for roads etc. [13:13] even if you don't have a car. [13:13] the internet is kind of a core service now [13:13] yeah, exactly [13:13] and i think it's somewhere open access does work better [13:13] they're doing a messy kidn of open access for fibre here [13:14] it'd be like comcast's infrastructure being paid for directly by taxpayer funds [13:14] different regions have different providers [13:14] that you have to do agreements with [13:14] that haev different plan speeeds as well as government encouraged ones. [13:14] where government is doing 30/10 and 100/50 [13:14] it seems that there's a shift towards 200/20 [13:14] ah, they suggest a min speed? [13:14] (the gov) [13:14] 30/10 is minimum you can buy [13:14] it's set pricing too [13:15] that's cool [13:15] but there's 2 year contract. [13:15] and it's not in 10 year plan for all areas [13:15] like where i used to live wasn't in 10 year plan [13:15] i'm in one of the worse regions though, as it's "chorus" [13:16] who are the slowest for rollout [13:16] with the most aggressive traffic policing [13:16] oh that's the annoying thing about fibre here, there's harsh traffic policing [13:16] without queuing [13:16] which means people have to have well timed queueing on every connection [13:16] to not get overlfow [13:17] overflow [13:18] bummer [13:19] is most of your traffic NZ-NZ? or worldwide? [13:19] it used to be mostly international [13:19] but there's youtube caches here now [13:19] and youtube is a big bandwidth user [13:20] nz peering is wonderful in general [13:21] there just isn't much content [13:25] facebook and google is what most people seem to care about these days [13:25] and they both moved to https for most stuff which means with google you can only cache with their special stuff [13:25] and facebook has lousy cdn's that vary. [13:26] recently they've been using streaming akamai, which has much less nodes than normal akamai. and there's terrible cache hit rates, and apalling miss speed. [13:26] so it can take 2+ seconds to load a single image. [13:27] or like 30 msec to load the same image when cached. [13:27] ouch [13:27] so i'm less than 1 msec away from a streaming akamai server on my dedicated server here with gigabit. [13:28] the cache miss/hit is really obvious [13:28] but it's really obvious on any connection speed [13:28] like i have adsl at home [13:28] the obvious answer seems to be to cache more. [13:29] try and cache for 24 hours at least. [13:29] oh it's worse than that, there's more than one ip address often for the same data, and it won't cache share it seems. [13:29] of if you request the same file twice with no proxy/cache or anything, it'll be slow twice [13:29] then fast. [13:30] also facebook seems to use data centres on east coast of the US [13:30] even if it comes into their network in california [13:30] they should start anycasting. [13:31] i got a vps in sydney from that vultr place someone mentioned, and from australia it goes to singapore for facebook [13:31] i didn't even know facebook was in singapore. [13:52] huh [14:08] to what part [14:21] facebook in singapore [14:33] yeah, facebook are in singapore now it seems. [14:33] if you trace from sydney. [14:33] i don't know if fb actually have any west coast us data centres [14:33] i imagine it costs more for power [14:34] but with https even terminating connections closer improves performance [15:20] yea, they do [15:21] they have one in OR (hydro power) [15:21] i think they have one in san jose or nearby [15:22] i remember seeing somewhere in northern ca in an ns name [15:22] i tried emailing fb [15:22] i keep getting shv [15:22] let's see if it goes anywhere :) [15:22] yeh someone else is getting a link to los angeles [15:23] their server selection sucks [15:23] how far is shv from you? [15:23] i get frc [15:23] i dunno what frv or shv is [15:25] shv is somewhere east coast [15:25] so 1500+ mi [15:25] yeah it's stupid [15:25] my route on comcast goes via marietta, ga [15:25] they run all this stuff through their network anyway [15:25] so they may as well terminate connections early [15:25] and it's all https so there's latency delay [15:26] with multiple back and forward rtt jumps [15:26] of course then you're on the site and it's working and it sucks anyway :) [15:26] yup, lol [16:43] Linux 3.18-rc3 Released, Codenamed The "Diseased Newt" [16:43] they're a bit sick with their naming [16:48] haha [18:54] *** tabthorpe has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [19:00] *** tabthorpe has joined #arpnetworks [19:46] *** sga0 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [19:53] *** sga0 has joined #arpnetworks [21:16] *** medum has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [21:28] *** medum has joined #arpnetworks [21:31] *** shat_ has joined #arpnetworks [21:31] up_the_irons: you around man? 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