[01:37] *** Guest8160 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [01:48] *** Guest8160 has joined #arpnetworks [03:11] *** LT has joined #arpnetworks [10:22] *** Guest35988 has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3) [10:25] *** jpalmer has joined #arpnetworks [10:29] *** LT has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [13:13] ... https://www.atlantic.net [13:14] $0.99/month for freebsd hosting! [13:14] "but we make it up in volume!" [13:39] man, that's cheap [13:39] I've spun up a couple of vultr VPSs lately. bit cheaper than ARP, not sure if I like them or not yet [13:40] They've got some weird quirks around IPv6 [14:27] it's not one of those "8" ipv6 address things or such is it [14:28] solusvm has whacked ipv6 support [14:28] where you can only assign single ipv6's to clients [14:29] nah, it's just a weird thing with their VM driver that reflects multicast packets back at their source, which breaks duplicate address detection [14:30] which causes interfaces to disable IPv6 support :/ [14:30] weird [14:30] net.inet6.ip6.dad_count=0 fixes it (well, for values of "fix") [14:41] weird. [14:44] jeez 99 cents [14:44] this vultr.com has many many locations [14:47] wow they sure do [14:52] i am tempted to try sydney location [14:52] i had a sydney vps before that i was doing some monitoring for and it had terrible performance [14:54] i dunno why i'd never heard of them before [14:56] they seem to be run by choopa [15:09] i think it's the race to the bottom [15:12] it's always the race to the bottom [15:12] unfortunately [15:28] i do like the idea of multiple locations [15:29] but the idea doesn't mean that all locations are going to be good [15:52] *** BryceBot has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [15:53] *** BryceBot has joined #arpnetworks [16:01] *** carvite has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [16:02] *** carvite has joined #arpnetworks [20:38] can Xen and KVM co-exist on the same box? [21:01] yeh [21:01] oh [21:02] you mean run xen virtual machiens and kvm virtual machines at once? [21:02] yes, at the same time [21:02] i think you could probably do that with pv xen and kvm hardware [21:02] you can also run xen inside kvm though [21:02] actually now that you mention it i think it probably wouldn't work well [21:03] because xen dom0 takes over machine, then runs the dom0 [21:03] which would then haev to have kvm module which then wouldn't be able to act as a hypervisor. [21:03] there is some work on emulating virtualisation capabilities to virtualise inside virtualise. [21:04] if i was you i'd choose my weapon though. [21:05] how are the graphical tools to work with Xen? Or is it pretty much command line for configuring VMs? [21:05] the graphical tools are all terrible [21:05] with kvm and xen i'd recommend going command line in both cases. [21:06] there are various frameworks that can maintain things for you. but they're web rather than gui for the most part. [21:06] there's virt-manager that supports both but it's terrible. [21:06] http://virt-manager.org/ [21:06] you never know, you might like it. it makes it hard if you want to do "fancy" things. [21:07] but the user interface isn't too complicated. [21:07] and if you just want to see cpu usage and console and set the number of cpu cores and memory it's fine.; [21:08] virt-manager generates configs that can be manally modified? [21:08] it's kind of xml [21:08] http://libvirt.org/formatdomain.html [21:08] i find it messy :) [21:09] but it's consistent messy i suppose. [21:10] i use xl with xen [21:10] actually mine looks liek that too mhm [21:11] for the most part i just copy one config to another and edit the details [21:11] and clone the partition or create new partition [21:11] afaik no-ones really got templating done well in a way they've releaed to public. you can download some base images of different distros but they're terrible. [21:12] you can use debootstrap and do it yourself, but it's not ready to go. [21:12] like afaik up_the_irons did a lot of his own config for his templates, which means every time there's a new release he has to do more work. [21:15] do you work with puppet at all? [21:15] That's what she said!! [21:15] BryceBot: no [21:15] Oh, okay... I'm sorry. 'do you work with puppet at all?' [21:15] nah [21:16] it's one of those things i thought i should look at sometime :) [21:17] along with ruby etc, and all those other new fancy things. [22:03] I personally prefer ansible, but my needs are quite modest. [23:24] i wonder if there's an overview of all these different sys admin things somewhere [23:24] some sysadmin or something blog that talks about things like this could be cool. [23:24] i'd never even heard of ansible. [23:50] Do you love ssh more than life itself? Do you love yaml like it's your very own favorite sandal? [23:50] Or something like that. It's a pretty good system for handfuls of systems.