[01:28] *** LT has joined #arpnetworks [03:12] *** Arenlor has joined #arpnetworks [04:22] Anyone know when the next server creation time is? [04:39] *** Guest67480 is now known as atmark [04:39] *** atmark has quit IRC (Changing host) [04:39] *** atmark has joined #arpnetworks [05:39] Arenlor: it's going to be today [05:39] Arenlor: i know your order is still in the queue, I'm trying to get through everything now... :) [06:03] Cool, love your service, still say you need a referal link thing. [06:05] referral tracking takes a little bit of coding, just don't got time to do it... maybe i should put our website on github and someone can send a pull request with the code ;) [06:05] Incoming link > set cookie > update db? [06:07] our site is static, so there is no db [06:07] (the portal, however, is different) [06:08] Then even simpler really, just give us all a referal ID that can be entered on the signup form. [06:08] I'm just interested in how many of the people I send your way have signed up. [06:13] your referral ID can just be your name and the referral puts it in the additional comments section :) [06:14] this has actually been done regularly [06:20] *** Arenlor has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [07:31] *** novae has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [07:34] *** novae has joined #arpnetworks [08:15] *** reardencode has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [08:15] *** eryc has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [08:16] *** reardencode has joined #arpnetworks [08:16] *** eryc has joined #arpnetworks [08:16] *** eryc has quit IRC (Changing host) [08:16] *** eryc has joined #arpnetworks [08:20] *** eryc has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [08:22] *** eryc has joined #arpnetworks [08:26] *** eryc has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [08:27] *** eryc has joined #arpnetworks [08:33] *** eryc has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [08:33] *** eryc has joined #arpnetworks [08:39] (not that there is any apparent benefit to it [yet]) [09:23] *** eryc has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [09:26] *** eryc has joined #arpnetworks [09:26] *** eryc has quit IRC (Changing host) [09:26] *** eryc has joined #arpnetworks [09:30] *** reardencode has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [09:40] *** LT has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [09:47] *** eryc has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [09:49] *** eryc has joined #arpnetworks [09:55] *** eryc has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [09:56] *** eryc has joined #arpnetworks [14:38] *** gizmoguy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [14:50] *** gizmoguy has joined #arpnetworks [14:53] *** reardencode has joined #arpnetworks [18:06] how is physicall security generally maintained in a meet me room? Isnt there a whole lot of equipment from various providers and carriers present? Like who makes sure the proper connections are being made? [18:09] some of them are locked for switches, and only certain people can plug into the switches [18:09] all equipment is generally in locked cabs [18:09] fancier MMRs have a MDF (main distribution frame) in a locked cage [18:09] oh i thought meet me room meant like core interconnect switches for things like easyany2ix or whatever. [18:10] lots of people have slack secrutiy tbh [18:10] but there are cameras etc. [18:10] but if you've seen pics of something like One Wilshire's 4th floor MMR (the original one), you will notice there is probably no security at all ;) [18:10] Much like the Internet - as long as nobody fucks up their BGP announce too bad... [18:10] well if you have anywhere with lots of different contractors there's going to be gaps in security at times. [18:10] but you can't just go in off street. [18:11] like up_the_irons could probably walk around and find someones cabinet not locked. [18:12] also even with a locked cabinet, you could cause problems by throwing some water into the gear i'm sure. [18:12] that's why you should only buy submersible equipment [18:12] so it's good that anyone off street can't go in [18:13] otherwise some drunk might thing that was a good idea [18:13] m0unds: added bonus: No need to worry about the type of fire suppression/sprinkler system :D [18:13] that said for phone lines here there are these pairs of cables that connect to other pairs of cable out on the street [18:13] no protection at all. [18:13] saving money on all fronts [18:14] years back people used to steal peoples phone line and make calls. [18:14] there's still no real protection. [18:14] lol yup [18:15] but it doesn't seem to create mass issues. [18:15] insane. [18:15] the biggest "hacking" that used to be common here was just doing pulse mode dialing on public phone booths. [18:15] Just TODAY.... the fiji government decides DST begins 2 Nov, not 26 October. [18:15] WTF [18:15] you could just pulse the receiver for a phone number and dial [18:16] randal: wow, huge warning. [18:16] I guess they don't care about international flight schedules, or conf calls, or smart phones, or PCs... [18:16] i find dst being non synced between countries annoying [18:16] even within countries [18:16] yeh. [18:16] southern mexico changes this weekend [18:16] northern mexico changes with US [18:16] california switches between 3 to 4 to 5 hours difference from me. [18:17] 3 hours is a lot easier than 5. [18:17] well actually it's nearly a day difference [18:17] was gonna say, haha [18:17] just read this to see the insanity: http://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst/events.html [18:17] it's easier to think of it as 3/4/5 [18:18] like +4 hours, take away a day. [18:18] hahaha [18:18] is easier than 20 hours behind. [18:18] and that's not even updated yet for the Fiji thing [18:18] Oooh... actually it is. [18:18] they're GOOD. [18:18] for some reason my skype used to give out a weird time for me. it's accurate now. [18:18] but windows always had the right time. skype just had it's own idea. [18:19] oh wow randal [18:19] that link is crazy [18:19] now you see what I face when scheduling floss weekly [18:19] I have to be VERY VERY CAREFUL when I talk about "8:30am pacific time" [18:19] so does this mean only miami in florida changes not all of florida? [18:19] "which right now is GMT - 7" [18:20] no - miami is just representative [18:20] ok [18:20] "example locations" [18:20] that's from the olson database [18:20] oh right. [18:20] for example, "America/Los_Angeles" is the timezone we call "pacific time" [18:21] isn't california diff in different cities? [18:21] no - thank goodness all of cali is same timezone :) [18:21] oh, maybe i thought it was because i was reading about sales tax. [18:21] but oregon has a few cities in idaho's timezone [18:21] omg, sales tax in california sounded so confusing [18:22] haha [18:22] sales tax in general is evil [18:22] yea [18:22] it varies location to location [18:22] no - the only fair tax to business is income tax [18:22] and as a business, I object to sales tax [18:22] in my city, it's 7.something percent, in the city to my north, it's 6.something, and in the state capital it's 8.something [18:22] heh exactly m0unds [18:23] RandalSchwartz: i was referring to mercutio saying it was confusing. [18:23] i wouldn't know any of this stuff if it wasn't for the internet. [18:23] sales tax in my neck of Washington is around 7.x%, or I drive 5 minutes over to Idaho where it's 6.x% :D [18:23] i think they should just standardise it across the state. [18:23] sales tax is 15% flat here. [18:23] which is too high :( [18:23] Well the state's tax is standardised, but then the county and the city also add their taxes... [18:23] yea [18:24] it's always disconcerting when tax type things go up [18:24] it always feels like you're losing lots of money with no control. [18:24] here they recently raised water taxes, and it's kind of disconcerting to pay for water. [18:24] it's still wrong [18:25] a VAT is a lot more fair than a Sales Tax [18:25] but an income tax is more fair still [18:25] but like people bitch about the cost of internet, when the cost of water is like the same. [18:25] and the cost of power is much higher. power has also been going up in cost. [18:25] but for some reason people seem to think that the cost of internet is much less static. [18:25] VAT = tax that buyer pays on the difference between sellers cost and sellers price [18:26] income tax = tax that seller pays on difference between sellers cost and sellers price [18:26] sales tax = tax that buyers *and* sellers pay on price [18:26] it's a tax on tax [18:27] randal: here we've also got taxes on thinks like accident insurance. [18:27] which doesn't depend on what you do for work. [18:27] where working in a factory you're more likely to have an accident than office job etc. [18:27] well... more precisely... sales tax is tax seller pays on seller cost and buyer pays on sellers price [18:28] your upstream cost includes taxes you can't recoup [18:28] so if something changes hands five times, that 10% is taken out five times [18:28] admittedly, different levels each time [18:28] ouch. [18:29] so the total tax isn't a function of GDP [18:29] you can reclaim our sales tax here if you're a business. [18:29] but you still have to pay it. [18:29] it's a function of money changing hands [18:29] it's complicated. [18:29] ie i don't really understand it. [18:29] right... but I buy some things in california to use in oregon, I pay california sales tax. there's no place to get that back. [18:30] even though I may resell it in oregon [18:30] can you buy over internet and not pay it. [18:30] we avoid tax when we buy stuff from overseas atm. [18:30] unless it's over $400 nzd, which is like $320 usd. which has to include shipping cost. [18:31] i think that's becoming a global debate these days. [18:31] anyway... just came here to bitch about fiji [18:31] avoiding tax by buying from other places. [18:31] heh. [18:31] fiji is pretty backward in gneeral isn't it? [18:32] like it's kind of a lax place, where most people are pretty chill, then some power hungry people make random decisions. [18:32] @exch 400 NZD USD [18:32] 400 NZD -> 318.62532290685 USD (as of Mon, 20 Oct 2014 18:00:48 -0700) [18:33] bryce: i was close enough, :) [18:33] Yep! I was just curious [18:33] goodj ob [18:33] i've been looking at video cards on amazon.. [18:34] the shipping cost pushes over the edge of $300 cards. :( [18:34] http://www.amazon.com/Asus-R9290-DC2OC-4GD5-ASUS-Graphics-Cards/dp/B00HWQUI02/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1413855257&sr=8-2&keywords=r9+290 [18:34] Amazon: "ASUS Graphics Cards R9290-DC2OC-4GD5" [18:34] like that [18:34] if only it was $20 USD cheaper, instead of having US-only $20 rebate. [18:35] I don't know what shipping cost you're talking about, it shows free shipping to me >.> [18:35] <.< [18:35] it used to be free shipping here too [18:35] * brycec is being a smartass [18:35] it's like $26 or something now [18:35] i started using amazon more when they had free shipping to new zealnad :) [18:36] Wow, free kiwi shipping, I'm surprised [18:36] Congrats on having had that [18:36] i want it back [18:36] it's $28.34 for shipping now! [18:36] but they want to charge import fees deposit [18:37] prices should come down anyway. [18:37] does kiwi shippping involve no flying? :) [18:37] I understand they are flightless [18:37] heh [18:38] you don't exactly see kiwis :) [18:38] you see more hedgehogs than kiwis [18:38] maybe out of the corner of your eye, when you're not really looking for them [18:38] you hear hedgehogs before you see them normally [18:38] do you have hedgehogs there? 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